Taking Stock: Will Nicolas Batum Ever Be a Star?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/08/2013 1:10 PM

    Ripcity what about a deal for Tobias Harris?

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/08/2013 1:46 PM

     

    cmeese47, that would be a great trade if Amway will eat Batum's contract. 

    I would ask for antoher Nikola Vucevic as well.  Chalenge with that trade is where would Batum fit in there offense seeing they have Hedo Turkoglu

     

    I like that trade however.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/08/2013 2:04 PM

    Tobias Harris yes, but again, now way the Magic parts with him. I still say they just got lucky with the emergence of Harris, Vucevic, and Harkless. No way anyone sees that happening.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/08/2013 2:42 PM

    I seriously doubt Vucevic is included in any deal outside of LA. However, this trade could be interesting.


    Blazers trade Nicolas Batum, #10 pick and a second rounder to the Magic

    Magic trade Tobias Harris, Hedo Turkoglu and the #1 overall pick to the Blazers. 


    Turkoglu has an ugly contract but for Portland he would represent more cap room considering Harris and his 6 million buy are much less than what Batum makes. Plus with the #1 pick we could either take Noel or try to package that for Larry Sanders.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/08/2013 2:46 PM

     

     

    Call Olshey and get the deal done!

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 05/08/2013 5:56 PM

    I would trade Batum to get Tobais Harris !!!! That would be EPIC

    I dont think Batums value is high tho, Also doesnt seem Orlando would want Batum.

    Big contract, Harkless is probably better anyways

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/08/2013 6:47 PM

    Ok, fact check, Jimmy Butler stats 12-13 season 8.6 pts, 4 rebounds 1.4 assists, and tonight against the Heat was a turnover machine. How does that make him a better player than Nic Batum? He had a good game against the Heat game one. He is not putting up incredible numbers by any stretch and LeBron got whatever he wanted against him in game 2....he's not Nic Batum guys. Neither is Dwayne Wade.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/08/2013 6:53 PM

    Butler playoff stats over 11 games..9.4pts 4 rebounds 2.2 assists..slight improvement over the regular season but these are not big numbers. Every Bulls player know where to be on defense. That's Thibs more than anything.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/08/2013 9:03 PM

    Butler is a significantly better defender than Batum hands down. Wesley Matthews has to guard Lebron cause Nicolas is too soft to do it. 

    Also way to use the 4 minutes he played in the playoffs last year to try and make your point. This year he has scored 13 points 5 rebounds 3 assists while guarding Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Lebron James and Dwyane Wade.


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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/08/2013 9:39 PM

    those stats are this years stats and the just played 11 games stats. Your figures are incorrect cmeese, I checked them out. no arguement about his play but your assertion that his stats are better then Nics are incorrect my friend.

     

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/08/2013 9:42 PM

    correction, playoff stats are the last 11 playoff games he's played. I watched him tonight and gotta say was not that impressed with his game, game 1 against the heat was not a normal game for the guy. Nic has way better figures across the board. you said he doesn't but he does. Butler is a good player, not a great player

     

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/08/2013 9:44 PM

    I also stated that Thibs has a better defensive plan than we had as a team which translates to better defense for all the Bulls players. Credit to Thibs...he's one of the best defensive coaches in the modern era.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/08/2013 9:46 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 05/08/2013 9:03 PM

    Butler is a significantly better defender than Batum hands down. Wesley Matthews has to guard Lebron cause Nicolas is too soft to do it. 

    Also way to use the 4 minutes he played in the playoffs last year to try and make your point. This year he has scored 13 points 5 rebounds 3 assists while guarding Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Lebron James and Dwyane Wade.



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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/08/2013 9:48 PM

    Also, I didn't use anything to come up with those figures, it's on his player profile.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/08/2013 10:00 PM

    Butler also doesn't come close to Nic in points, assists, steals or blocks. Nic guarded some of the best players in the league as well and when healthy, did a great job. Jimmy Butler is a talent, but to say he's better than Nic Batum doesn't make basketball sense. You might call Batum soft, I call him versatile. If it were boxing, Butler wins everytime but it's not. You might not like Nic, but there it is.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/08/2013 10:40 PM

    He has only played before tonight 8 playoffs games this year 7 versus the Nets and 1 versus Miami those numbers you are using include the 3 playoffs games he played in last year for a total of 4 minutes, which of course drives his stats down.


    His previous 10 games per ESPN 14.6 PPG 48.1 FG% 6.6 REB 2.7 AST .7 BLK 1.7 STL 


    Lebron is the best player in the world and Butler had played three straight 48 minute games. Tonight he struggled some sure but it is not like Batum dominates Miami he went for 28 in one game and 5 in the next this year against them. 


    BTW in 18 playoff games for Batum he is averaging 6.1 PPG 44.6 FG% 1.8 REB .08 AST .4 BLK .4 STL 

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/08/2013 11:02 PM

    Butler's 2012-13 regular season stats were 8.6 pts 4 rebounds and 1.4 assists per game. He never played through injury, didn't play 2nd in the NBA in minutes played. Didn't have a triple double. (Nic had 2) Now, personal feelings about a player you like are one thing but in Nic's defense, he had the better year. You said in this thread Butler had better numbers than Nic and that's not true. Butler has never averaged a double figure stat or even hit a game winner. This thread asks if Nic is a star. Nic contributed more to his team's win column than Butler did this season. These are the facts, no personal bias influencing them. I like Butler but it's just not fair to Nic to cut him short like that. I like Jimmy Butler. He's a good defender. You're right about that.
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/08/2013 11:13 PM

    Riverman, you're kinda like the pied piper. Everytime I start to think 'maybe Butler is as good as Batum', you come in with a rousing speech and keep me on the straight and narrow.

    I have to say though, I didn't see any GREAT defence from Batum.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/08/2013 11:15 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 05/08/2013 2:42 PM

    I seriously doubt Vucevic is included in any deal outside of LA. However, this trade could be interesting.


    Blazers trade Nicolas Batum, #10 pick and a second rounder to the Magic

    Magic trade Tobias Harris, Hedo Turkoglu and the #1 overall pick to the Blazers. 


    Turkoglu has an ugly contract but for Portland he would represent more cap room considering Harris and his 6 million buy are much less than what Batum makes. Plus with the #1 pick we could either take Noel or try to package that for Larry Sanders.


    Haha, I would love that. I would also love to wake up next to Ashley Greene. This is the most one sided trade ever. #1 pick for Batum and a second rounder, maybe, and that would be stretching it, but throw in their best player in Tobias Harris, no chance.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/09/2013 10:33 AM

    First I said Butler posted better numbers as a starter which he did, however he only started 20 games since they had an all star making 14 million filling his natural position ahead of him. I also said he is a better defender, which he is. 


    Starting

    Butler 14.5 PPG 46 FG% 45 3PT% 7.1 REB 2.7 AST .6 BLK 1.8 STL 4.9 FTA 

    Batum 14.3 PPG 42 FG% 37 3PT% 5.6 REB 4.9 AST 1.1 BLK 1.2 STL 2.9 FTA


    Head to head Butler scored more barely but shot the ball significantly better, out rebounded Batum, got to the free throw line a lot more and had more steals. Batum was the better passer and the better shot blocker. 


    Overall

    Batum per 48 17.8 PPG 3.25 TO 1.5 STL 1.37 BLK 6.1 AST 7 REB  37 3PT% 42 FG% 15.76 PER

    Butler per 48 15.9 PPG 1.48 TO 1.85 STL 1.3 BLK  2.6 AST 7.4 REB 38 3PT% 47 FG% 15.26 PER


    As you can see the numbers are very similar right now, Batum is still the better overall player. In the next year or two I do not believe that will be the case. 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/09/2013 10:37 AM

    Also forgot to add Batum 5.8 Win Share Jimmy Butler 7.0, which suggests that in fact Butler added more wins to his team than Batum did.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/09/2013 11:01 AM

    here it is http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6430/jimmy-butler
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/09/2013 11:03 AM

    and here's the comparison http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/3416/nicolas-batum
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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/09/2013 11:31 AM

    yea I agree with riverman all across the board here can't really say butler is gonna be a star when his scoring is mediocre @ his position the dude isn't completley taking over games by any means 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/09/2013 11:33 AM

    anywayz game one is probably the best he's gonna play this whole series lbj will completely destroy him the rest of the series you can bank on that lol 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/09/2013 11:38 AM

    Even if Batum is better than Butler, which I already said he is he is not better than Butler and Gibson, which was the original trade idea and that you can bank on.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/09/2013 11:40 AM

    Yeah, wanna talk about inconsistency, look at Butler. His offence is horrible. He gets to the line more, but that's about it. Only made 40 threes, nothing really to go on. If you have to trade him for someone, trade him for Wes. Both three and D guys, but Wes is a better three point shooter, and Butler is a better defender.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/09/2013 11:51 AM

    This is the same crap I got a few years ago when I suggested trading Batum for Paul George. Now Batum would be lucky to carry Georges jock. 


    Also not a ton of shots left after Robinson, Belinelli and Boozer jack up 40-45+ a night. Add in 8-10 for Noah and Butler is fighting to get 10 shots a game. That makes it hard to be consistent, which is only further compounded by chasing Lebron and Wade all night on defense. 


    He has now started 29 games in his career so yah I expect some inconsistency at the point in his career. Which is the only reason the Bulls would even consider trading him for Batum to begin with. 

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    Posted 05/09/2013 12:02 PM

    who is ashley greene?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/09/2013 12:07 PM

    Some chick that was in the Twilight movies

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/09/2013 1:23 PM

    She's easy on the eyes.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/09/2013 6:59 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 05/09/2013 11:51 AM

    This is the same crap I got a few years ago when I suggested trading Batum for Paul George. Now Batum would be lucky to carry Georges jock. 

    Also not a ton of shots left after Robinson, Belinelli and Boozer jack up 40-45+ a night. Add in 8-10 for Noah and Butler is fighting to get 10 shots a game. That makes it hard to be consistent, which is only further compounded by chasing Lebron and Wade all night on defense. 

    He has now started 29 games in his career so yah I expect some inconsistency at the point in his career. Which is the only reason the Bulls would even consider trading him for Batum to begin with. 

    cmeese47 - I have come to the conclusion you, I, BDawg, and Dave are the only ones who see the real Batum and have been outspoken about him for the last couple years.  Batum knew what sort of pressure was on him this year to perform and he failed miserably.  BDawg said it better on another posts:

     

    "Maniac...the summation of your thread is same Batum...for 10 mil/yr more. With nearly a quarter of this season behind us, I believe we have enough of a sample size to at least be aware and concerned. I personally, am a little beyond that because Nico hasn't shown me anything in his three years prior to this season that would reasonably suggest he make good on his contract at some point in the future. Again, equally disturbing for me with regard to Nic's stagnant development offensively speaking, is his notable regression at the defensive end of the floor."  This was posted in December 2012 when he was on fire.

     

    OK so he got the big contract.  That is business.  What pissed my off about the deal was the fact that he said his heart was in Minnesota and how he and he wanted to start a family there.  His whole Blazer Bashing before the offer got matched really soured my on him not only because of his inconsistent play from previous seasons but his piss poor attitude towards Rip City last summer.  Quite honestly he does not deserve to  wear the Blazer Colors.  As BDawg said same Batum (not in a good way) for a lot more money.  Does Batum really want to be here ot is he waiting for the Blazers do a deal to where he will approve the trade?

     

    Last summer it was Batum and LMA as the cornerstone.  Well it is now Damian and LMA.  Batum is expendable and we can get good assets for him.  Guaranteed if we seriously improve this summer and yes that includes dumping Batum in the trade cmeese posted earlier:

    Blazers trade Nicolas Batum, #10 pick and a second rounder to the Magic; and in return the

    Magic trade Tobias Harris, Hedo Turkoglu and the #1 overall pick to the Blazers.

    Get a good defensive minded Center, and we show LMA that Paul Allen is serious about getting him a ring, he will stay.

     

    If we stay with Batum, LMA will be gone intwo years.

     

    Batum has God given talent, but if he had Wes's heart and passion he would be unstoppable.  I wish we could duplicate Wes's heart and put it in Batum's body!


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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/09/2013 7:09 PM

    salaries don't match up you gotta be a dummy to not see that taj gibson and butler combined make 3 mil how is that gonna facilitate a trade for batum? 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/09/2013 7:36 PM

     

    That is the whole point, try and trade Batum to Chicago for those two, we get CAP relief, and good young Assets and Chicago gets a what most of the league thinks is an strong SF.  I doubt Chicago would take Batum, becuase Batum could never play for Thibodeau.  Secondly, they have got to be questioning Derick Rose's durability.  He has only played 39 games in two seasons and Nate Robinson is getting a re-surgence in his career.

    If he goes to Orlando, it does not get cap relief initially, however we get Assets and a their 1st round pick which is substantially higher than ours.  Quite Honestly in two years Tobias is going to be a monster.

    In both trades, we get players who are not afraid to go to the paint and get to the line

    Granted the fact that Terkolu is late in his career and has a bad contract of which we cold restructure or dump him and get out of it that way.  The whole key to that deal is their first round pick and Tobias.

     

     

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/09/2013 8:20 PM

    Posted By BLASER on 05/09/2013 7:09 PM

    salaries don't match up you gotta be a dummy to not see that taj gibson and butler combined make 3 mil how is that gonna facilitate a trade for batum? 


    At the end of the season Gibson's extension kicks in but I failed to check my math we would need to take Hamilton especially if Batum does not waive his trade kicker. 


    I would throw in the the #10 pick if the bulls included Hinrich instead of Hamilton.

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 05/09/2013 8:39 PM

    Maniac 

    NO WAY Orlando gives up Tobias and their #1 pick for Batum and the 10th

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/09/2013 9:39 PM

    I don't believe for a millesecond that some of you guys know what Batum can never do, will never do could never play for Thibs, etc....couldn't hold another players jock strap. All that banter is pitchfork and torch panic. Respect is something that requires civility and there's not much forsight in the words I'm reading. This thread needs a different heading. Should say "If you like and value Nic Batum, don't enter"Or maybe, "We really need to trade Batum for player..(fill in the blank)" The thread is disguised as a question that is misleading ....the topic is will the guy be a star. My answer is ..Yes, if he stays healthy and continues to add to his game.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/09/2013 10:54 PM

    River and Ripcity we need your counter arguments I am not a patient person so waiting for me is not going to be on the menu and since we are not close to winning titles or even competing for them. 

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  1. sug81
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    Posted 05/10/2013 12:02 AM

    Okay for everyone bashing on Batum right now, I will remember your names and if he plays like a monster next year you'll hear from me hahahaha. He will not be a star but a good player with the possibility of being a better one sounds accurate.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/10/2013 12:44 AM

    Let's forget about Batum for a second. In what realm, would the Magic give their best player, a better Small Forward, for Nic Batum. A 1st overall pick for a 10th overall pick. And Hedo Turkoglu for a second rounder? Why don't we just trade Will Barton for LBJ?

    And where did Batum treat Rip City badly? Where did he say his heart is in Minnesota? Do you guys have links, because I genuinely want to see.

    If he did play bad on the defensive end, he'll improve in the offseason. Wait until the trade deadline, and If he isn't improved, trade him. I love him and think he'll be a star so I don't think that will happen, but if he doesn't improve I'm not a fool to keep him. Only if we can get a better player or two solid players out of the deal. Not someone who's just as good but less money. You guys wait, Nic will be even better next season.

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/10/2013 8:30 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 05/09/2013 8:20 PM
    Posted By BLASER on 05/09/2013 7:09 PM

    salaries don't match up you gotta be a dummy to not see that taj gibson and butler combined make 3 mil how is that gonna facilitate a trade for batum? 


    At the end of the season Gibson's extension kicks in but I failed to check my math we would need to take Hamilton especially if Batum does not waive his trade kicker. 


    I would throw in the the #10 pick if the bulls included Hinrich instead of Hamilton.


    I'd rather tack hinrich back then hamilton 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/10/2013 8:34 AM

    only way I'd really try to trade batum is if it was in a package deal that brought us a defensive beast @ the 5 and a solid starting sf but I don't see that happening 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/10/2013 9:50 AM

    So let me get this straight Rip you consider Tobias Harris to be a better SF than Batum. 


    As a starter he scored less than Batum and Butler, he also had less steals, blocks, and assists per game than both. His rebounding was higher though. 



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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/10/2013 9:56 AM

    idk tobias harris right now is not better but he could eventually be better 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 05/10/2013 10:06 AM

    What are you talking about Cmeese???

    Tobias Harris in his 27 games for Orlando he averaged 17pts 8reb 2ast 1 block 1 steal 45fg% 

    This dude is a stud, I saw some ORL games and read his game logs he is a beast

    I thought he would be good after seeing him in Summer League then he never got mins in MIL now hes blowing up. Now the Magic have Harris and Harkless who is also very good. Dont think they wanna bring in another wing.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/10/2013 10:54 AM

    Posted By riverman on 05/09/2013 9:39 PM
    I don't believe for a millesecond that some of you guys know what Batum can never do, will never do could never play for Thibs, etc....couldn't hold another players jock strap. All that banter is pitchfork and torch panic. Respect is something that requires civility and there's not much forsight in the words I'm reading. This thread needs a different heading. Should say "If you like and value Nic Batum, don't enter"Or maybe, "We really need to trade Batum for player..(fill in the blank)" The thread is disguised as a question that is misleading ....the topic is will the guy be a star. My answer is ..Yes, if he stays healthy and continues to add to his game.


    Two big question marks in your statement:

    1. If he stays healthy-has about a 50% track record of doing that:

    2. Is his heart in Portland - Everybody rememeber last Summer if nto click on the link below:

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/7/1...-wants-out

    Also just do a google search and there are a lot more links out there that talk about he did not want to play in Portland until the Blazers matched that stupid offer sheet.

    Just google "Batum wants out of Portland"

    He is playing for us becuase he was forced to.  Big difference between wanting to do something and being forced to do something. 

    You can tell Wes loves playing here, LMA, Damian, JJ and even some of the guys on the bench.  Why is it you hear about everything Wes, LA, and even Damian do in the community but hardly anything about Nic? 

    The front office said he was the cornerstone along with LA as the Franchise.  Buy that has shifted from him to Damian.

    I do not think he can be a star becaue he does not like the spotlight and the pressure it brings.  When the game is on the line, LA and Damian are the closers.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/10/2013 10:54 AM

    I check his stats this morning from NBA.com start he averaged just over 13 points per game, 6.9 rebounds, 1.7 ast .6 blk 1 stl his numbers were solid but overall I think Batum with his defense and passing make him more valuable right now. Although it is pretty close.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/10/2013 11:11 AM

    Batum's agent spun a lot of media press getting Nic the best deal and it worked. Batum said he knew he'd be back in Portland but any savvy businesman would maximize profits for his client while the opportunity was there. Neil Olshey sat down with Nic when we matched and said he'd been in contact with Batum through the process and the whole thing was publicly embarrassing to Nic. Nic's agent did what he's paid to do and if the Blazers didn't match, Nic wanted to play for a good coach. At that point the Blazers didn't have a coach if you remember correctly. Seeing as how it was possible for the Blazers not to match the Wolves offer, Nic was showing optimism if the change happened. It wasn't all in Nic's hands to make a choice because he was restricted. Big difference from choosing a team as a free agent. None of the current players have complained their way out of Portland. I don't think your 50% stat on Nics health is even close to accurate.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 05/10/2013 11:27 AM

    Batum-Wes cant be your starting 2-3 if you want to get past the second round. I think Batum likes Portland a little more after playing with Damian in Stotts system. But still I dont have any emotional ties to him after his actions last offseason. 

    @Cmeese hmmm I cant find anywhere that has those numbers for Tobias. I think he is better for Batum because he is offensive game is so great. He can catch and shoot, he cand create his own shot, and he can post up. Great rebounder, decent defender from what I saw. I think if he gets his touches he can average around 18-20 points 6-8 rebounds a season. I wanted him early in the season when he wasnt getting any mins in MIL

    I think we need to find another player like that. Someone who isnt getting any minutes. Someone who has high potential but isnt a right for his team or isnt getting mins or is on waivers (JJ Hickson)


    As everyone said SFs are much easier to find. I think Batum is getting paid to be at least a 3rd option on a good team. A 3rd options doesnt just shoot 3s, play decent D, and turn the ball over like crazy. I wouldnt mind finding another SF project. 

    Portland needs to change their Starting Wings. Unless Damian improves GREATLY or if they find a Great Center

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    Posted 05/10/2013 1:24 PM

    Posted By riverman on 05/10/2013 11:11 AM
    Batum's agent spun a lot of media press getting Nic the best deal and it worked. Batum said he knew he'd be back in Portland but any savvy businesman would maximize profits for his client while the opportunity was there. Neil Olshey sat down with Nic when we matched and said he'd been in contact with Batum through the process and the whole thing was publicly embarrassing to Nic. Nic's agent did what he's paid to do and if the Blazers didn't match, Nic wanted to play for a good coach. At that point the Blazers didn't have a coach if you remember correctly. Seeing as how it was possible for the Blazers not to match the Wolves offer, Nic was showing optimism if the change happened. It wasn't all in Nic's hands to make a choice because he was restricted. Big difference from choosing a team as a free agent. None of the current players have complained their way out of Portland. I don't think your 50% stat on Nics health is even close to accurate.


    OK, lets look at the pure numbers of games he has either not played or played at a dimished capacity do to injury in his last four years (I will not count his Rookie season as he basically sucked then).

    2012-2013 about 1/2 the season he was playing at a very dimished level.

    2011-2012 about 15 Games

    2010-1011 about 12 Games

    2009-2010 At LEast Half the season.

    There is 82 games in a NBA Season so over 4 years that is 328 Games and we are looking at 109 Games, so that is 1/3 of his productive time he has been hurt.  This does not count all of the other games he has played inconsitent or basically disappeared in the fourth quarter.

    Facts do not Lie.

     

    And with Nic chanign his tune about playing for Portland, he had no choice Portland Matched. He was like a politicain playing damage control after he did something stupid and then tried to say oh I am sorry so he could get relected.  Sorry do not buy it from Politicians not did I buy it from Batum.

     

    Yea is agent said some Crap (however Batum should have stopped him as the Agent works for Batum).  Plus Batum said some stuff.  In a nutshell Batum's was accoutnable for himself and what his Agent did.

     

    He cannot shirk responsibility from that. 

     

     

     

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