Free Agency Thread *Blazers Match Batum*
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 07/12/2012 8:09 AM

    80% of the NBA kids want to play else where but guess what its a business and professionals play for the teams that own them.... Batum is not Dwight Howard... so demands mean little

    that said... I like all the moves we have made so far and I think we will make another good move when we lock down (only 23 years old and a vet) Batum

    Babbit, EWill, and NoSmith are all 23 too.... do you think Nic is a little ahead of the curve for a kid his age.

    Of course we won't let him walk for garbage we have too much invested and all the cards... and a good gm imo
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/12/2012 9:54 AM

    According to Comcast Sports Northwest, Batum has signed an offer sheet with the Wolves-
     A source close to the situation has indicated Nic Batum has just signed a Minnesota offer sheet. The contract is for 4 years, $46.5 million. The Blazers now have 72 hours to match the offer. 

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/12/2012 9:57 AM

    All along GM Neil Olshey has said the Trail Blazers will match and all offers. Once the offer sheet has been finalized, Portland will have 72 hours to either match or decline the offer.
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  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:09 AM

    Well we will see if he puts Paul Allen's money where Olshey's mouth is. If Batum did indeed sign an offer sheet for that, we can't do any kind of sign and trade at this point right? We either match, or he walks?
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  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:13 AM

    To Play with Love, Rubio, Roy,Batum, Budinger,Ridinour,Milicic, webster, derek williams. There are lots of reason to want to play for Minnesota actually , for Batum I get it. But I still hope he stays personally. At this point I expect Olshey will sign Batum, since that is what he said he would do.
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  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:15 AM

    Did we sign the offer sheet for Hibbert??
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:22 AM

    Olshey has shown us already that he'll do what he says he'll do. I dont imagine this will be any different.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:27 AM

    If Olshey could have gotten two first round picks for Batum and did not then he is foolish but It is the internet never know what is real
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  1. ErinC
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:33 AM

    Ok, I'm new to all of this and I'm curious if someone could tell me what it means if the Blazers match.  Does that mean he has to stay or can he still choose to go play for the Wolves.  
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:41 AM

    If we match he has to play here
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:43 AM

    He has to stay Erin C. Honestly, i feel the same way about Batum as i do relationships. You cant make anyone love you. If you dont want to be here,agitate the asphalt.



    cmeese, the question is what two first rounders. And as i understand it, Kyle Korver would have been included via a trade with the Bulls. Kyle would have been as much of a liability on defense as Batum sometimes is on offense.
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  1. ErinC
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:48 AM

    Thank you cmeese47 & commontongue!  I have been so confused!  :)  Makes total sense now.

  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:51 AM

    IF the Blazers match then Batum stays in Portland. BUt I think we can still turn around and trade him for value, but would we get equal return? I think we sign him and he stays, and he will quit his complaining when he sees the 46.5 million, and Yes honestly as some other fans have pointed out I think he is worth it. Batum is one of the best defensive SF in the league and has one of the best efficiency ratings in the league. His only 23, and he offense WILL GET BETTER, now that Mcmillan is gone and he won't just be shooting the corners, he will be taking it to the rim!
    I am a fan of Blazers making the playoffs in 2012, and developing young talent.
  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:52 AM

    WHY DO YOU THINK LIKE 4-5 different teams wanted Batum.
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  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:56 AM

    there are only 6 other players in all the NBA with a better efficiency rating then Batum, an HE IS ONLY 23. OH and healthy as heck.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/12/2012 10:56 AM

    Neil also pointed out that the things that made Nic concerned about Portland no longer exist. That must mean Nic was not happy with the way Nate used him in the rotation. (By the end, who was?) I expect Portland to match and try to convince Nic that Portland can still be a nice fit for him. After a year, if he still has dreams to play elsewhere, trade him and his expensive 3 years of a contract.
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  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 11:00 AM

    For some reason Mcmillan had a knack for making young talented players afraid of their own shadows on the court. I respect Mcmillan for getting from the jail Blazers, back to the Trail Blazers. But I for one am glad he is gone.
    I am a fan of Blazers making the playoffs in 2012, and developing young talent.
  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 11:06 AM

    I think are entire team will gel better this year, and I think Hickson, Aldridge, Batum, and Mathews will all of break out years  this season. And are young talent will contribute in Barton, Lilliard, Leonard, Claver, Freeland, Elliot Williams, (Maybe even Babbitt raining threes of the bench.) Like I said WE WILL BE WAY BETTER THEN ANYONE EXPECTS. 
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2012 11:14 AM

     The coach we bring in is going to be instrumental in the way we use Batum. D'Antoni and Olshey have the same agent, so thats a possibility. But more importantly is that we all know D'Antonis system is to get out and run,take open threes, and move the rock. Defense is so engrained in these guys mind from the McMillan era that i dont see it being a problem for us. Nic can still guard the best point guards in the game if need be.
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  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 11:19 AM

    Yes and Mcmillan has made a lot of are core players better defenders, I will give him credit for that as  he deserves it. But he seemed to have either lost his desire to coach here , or his offensive ideas were lost along with his "BIG 3" Roy Oden and ALdridge.
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  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/12/2012 11:25 AM

    Can anyone say Stan Van Gundy? I wish we could get him to come out of his hiatus 
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  1. raggedydavey
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    Posted 07/12/2012 11:28 AM

    Posted By pball8478 on 07/12/2012 11:25 AM
    Can anyone say Stan Van Gundy? I wish we could get him to come out of his hiatus 

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  1. uprised
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    Posted 07/12/2012 12:37 PM

    Please pball8478, stop spamming the FA thread.  Batum is not that good, which is why 2 lottery teams are the only ones fighting over the scraps.  Portland and Minn are LOSERS in 2012 FA, period.  No good pickups, no major trades.  We got blocked on every big man we went after, and we are painted into a corner matching Batum for about 5 mil/year more than he's worth.  Love and Batum, the teams respective stars (in Love's case anyway), have both come out and said they don't want to play for the teams they are currently on....

    Matching Batum would be an unmitigated disaster.  It takes everything we did right in trading 2 great vets (Wallace and Camby) and flushes it down the toilet.  I mean, look at the desperation of signing more euro league players.  Truly sad.  Our best hope at Center right now is Przybilla....

    This IS rebuild, not a reload around Batum.  What an absurd notion.  Portland will be a lottery team next year, and flexibility in FA will be critical to pulling this team out of it's current nose dive.  We blew it this year, but next year is another chance to pickup legitimate players to lead this team.  But we can't do that if we are bumping into the salary cap with Batum's bloated contract.  And, news flash, HE DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY HERE.  I've seen this movie before.  It's called "Rudy Fernandez Part II, MORE expensive".  

    Now I'm not so down that I will completely rule out Batum having a good year (not the incremental and statistically meaningless "improvement" we have seen his entire career).  I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong.  BUT, I suspect I won't be, and dealing Batum's absurd contract next year will not be a sure thing.  Particularly in a FA market that is freaking amazing.    

      
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 07/12/2012 12:40 PM

    If there really was an offer for two first rounders and Korver or whoever, then Olshey is an idiot. Now we're stuck for 4 years with a way over paid #3 option player and no cap room. We still need that #1 option, what the hell are we wasting all that money on a #3 option for?
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 07/12/2012 12:57 PM

    Posted By benh7777 on 07/12/2012 12:40 PM
    If there really was an offer for two first rounders and Korver or whoever, then Olshey is an idiot. Now we're stuck for 4 years with a way over paid #3 option player and no cap room. We still need that #1 option, what the hell are we wasting all that money on a #3 option for?

    Yep.  Particularly after signing Hickson for 1 year and for practically peanuts.  Let him play SF while we sort things out.  2 first rounders and a live body was perfectly adequate and preferable to matching Batum AND/OR letting him walk.  What do the Blazers think they know that nobody else does?  Teams around the league have said on many occasions that the Blazers overvalue Batum and it's confirmed by the complete lack of interest in his contract.  

    When Minn called his bluff and made cap space I'm sure Olshey's throat got a little dry.  IF we match it won't be a basketball decision.  I'ts Paul Allen's ego and fat wallet at work.  
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  1. ChrisRozwod
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    Posted 07/12/2012 12:58 PM

    Well put, benh7777.

    In other news, here's a fun Roy interview: http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station_content/645/SOFTY_7_9_12_BRANDONROY_1341855240_9823.mp3
  1. ChrisRozwod
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    Posted 07/12/2012 1:00 PM

    I heard they were waiting to submit the offer to the league until tonight, so there is still time for a S&T
  1. 08Ceaser81
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    Posted 07/12/2012 2:42 PM

    There is no way that were letting Batum go for nothing... We are matching.. I'm convinced it's the right move because Nic is going to get better as long as he avoids injury and his play will equalize with his pay. 
    This team will surprise the league if we become hard nose defenders and utilize our speed and agility to run the floor.
    My opinion is that we sign Canales because really what have we got to lose... I just hope LaMarcus and Matthews don't get antsy with another year of missing the playoffs and ask for trades.
    Really, I would be happy with an 8th seed first round run, I think we have a chance because if you look at the West this year there are only 4 teams that are guaranteed to be in the playoffs in San Antonio, La Clips, La Lakers and OKC.
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 07/12/2012 2:43 PM

    Hold up

    Batum's PER (Point Efficiency Rating) was 8th among SF's in the league, not among all players in the league. He's the 83rd among all players lol. Huge difference. But he's also younger than all SF's above him by multiple years, that's the upside. Hopefully he meets his potential.



    I guess that's what we're paying for players in a rebuild.. Potential... Doesn't that sound like the haunting word that's been in this organization for 4 years. Potential Championship contenders. Let's put all our chips into potential... I like it, it really only happens when you're "on the inside," not looking at it from an outsiders perspective.



    For example, I can tell you that Minn, even with Batum, is in no way a Championship contender, but I'm sure all of the fans in the city say they CAN be. So let's just keep our heads clear and view this situation as a whole.. can we compete with OKC and the Lakers? Hell no. WE have one all star, not 2, not 3, not 4. So please don't make the mistake of thinking this isn't a rebuild. I'm not going to give false hope, that's the most disappointing, heart breaking decision we can make. But I am willing to give the new rooks a chance, ewill, and yes, Batum. Plus I trust Olshey's decision making, he hasn't been in love witht his organization like us, so he's got a good perspective and will make good decisions for this team.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/12/2012 2:50 PM

    Yah I totally agree we are in a rebuild and I think there are better ways to do it like in the Option C thread. But certainly step would have been to get 2 picks for Batum especially since we still owe one to Charlotte.
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. benh7777
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    Posted 07/12/2012 3:15 PM

    Charlotte won't be getting anything by the looks of it. We will keep our pick if it is 12th or higher.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2012 3:24 PM

    Lets keep Batum and run him 48 minutes.  He's still the third option on this squad.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/12/2012 3:51 PM

    Posted By benh7777 on 07/12/2012 3:15 PM
    Charlotte won't be getting anything by the looks of it. We will keep our pick if it is 12th or higher.

    That just pushes the pick back to 2014 if we do not become good we have until 2016 when that pick becomes uncapped. 
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  1. GPC
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    Posted 07/12/2012 4:14 PM

    First of all, Batum is worth between 8-9M in today's market and being only 23 yrs old still has a lot of upside to show us fans with the right coach running the show. To have let him go for 2 end of round 1 picks and Korver would be a lousy deal for the Blazers. We have Babbitt to do what Korver can do, and he is younger and a better rebounder to boot. Olshey is going to be a brilliant GM and will get a superstar for this team to complement LMA and the rest of this up and coming team. Finally match the offer and let the GM work his magic.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/12/2012 5:08 PM

    So by you own count then we are paying Batum 3 million more per year than he is worth hard to get a superstar when you over pay your role players. 

    Second on the deal being lousy that is just silly. Starting in 2008 since that was the year Batum was drafted lets look at the good talent taken between 20-30. 
    2008
    Ryan Anderson #21
    Serge Ibaka #24
    Nicolas Batum #25
    George Hill #26 
    2009
    Darren Collison #21
    Rodrique Beaubouis #25
    Taj Gibson #26
    2010
    Elliot Williams #22
    Greivis Vasquez #28
    2011
    Kenneth Faried #22
    Marshon Brooks #25 

    That is a lot of good talent and a combination of any two of those players plus Korver is certainly worth Batum.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/12/2012 5:20 PM

    GPC: Nice first post dude, welcome to the boards :)

    In his defense, saying that he's worth only a few million less than the pricetag is hardly overpaying really... and it's not a bad move at all, it's just what happens all around the league. Bottom line: Batum is the #1 available SF, so to NOT overpay for him would've been a miracle. I agree that trading him for 2 late first round picks and Korver would've been a TERRIBLE idea. We have no need for Korver, and Cmeese, by your data about the late picks, you're basically saying that an average of 2 or 3 picks in that range per year pan out, and the rest fizzle... so yeah, that's no good guarantee. I'm happy with keeping Batum and holding out to see what happens later.
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 07/12/2012 5:31 PM

    Posted By GPC on 07/12/2012 4:14 PM 
    Olshey is going to be a brilliant GM and will get a superstar for this team to complement LMA and the rest of this up and coming team.
    How? A superstar isn't going to suddenly appear on Portland's roster out of thin air. You need cap space, money, and draft picks to get that superstar. If Portland matches the offer for Batum they will have none of those.
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 07/12/2012 5:39 PM

    Posted By GPC on 07/12/2012 4:14 PM
    To have let him go for 2 end of round 1 picks and Korver would be a lousy deal for the Blazers.
    1st of all even if they did end up just  being end of 1st round picks I still would have made that deal. But we are talking about the T-wolves here, right when you think maybe they have something they get worse. They have been in the lottery for how many straight years? Like 8 or 9? I don't think they are a playoff team next year, even with Batum and Roy, and if they aren't, Love wants out and will demand a trade and they will be back to the doormat. In my opinion the 2 picks both could have been lottery picks and maybe high lottery picks.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/12/2012 5:56 PM

    I am sure the pick would have been lottery protected Benh but as you put and what I believed all along is they would be higher. But at worst they are 2 low first round picks that can be used in trades. Maybe use those two plus Matthew next summer in a sign and trade for James Harden
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/12/2012 5:58 PM

    Fair point Benh, if they end up being higher picks that definitely makes the trade more tempting...

    But with that kinda speculation, I think it's fair to include speculation (read as: optimistic potential) about what Batum could become.

    Whichever choice you favor, keeping Batum or wishing we'd made that trade, either one is a non-guarantee.

    Personally, I'd take the player we've invested 4 years in and is still climbing to his peak, over the idea of 2 picks that may or may not be good picks, that may or may not end up as good players, that may or may not stay with the Blazers, that may or may not develop into talent we can use. Oh yeah, and screw Korver.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:07 PM

    Maybe not a guarantee but Blazer it does leave us 11 million in cap space and 2 future draft picks
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:11 PM

    Yes it does... and please insert the last part of my post about the draft picks :) no guarantee that they turn out, and from the numbers you gave us about late first round picks, it'd be about 20-30% chance they'd be worthwhile? Cap space is good, but there's other ways to get it too. Just sayin, speculation is speculation. As a fan who wants to see some solid basketball, I'll take the speculative option that gives us something more concrete. That's Batum.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:11 PM

    I don't think he's signed anything yet. Here's what Quick is reporting-
     Have to think either Blazers mulling a S&T offer or MIN is getting cold feet about waiving players to making offer they know will be matched
    Also doesn't Minny have to waive Miller and Webster to make room for Batum? Doesn't that mean we would have wait wait 7 days to see if they clear waivers before an offer sheet can be even..well, offered?
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  1. jwalk5255
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:16 PM

    Matthews has better work effort then harden plus when Wesley was coming off the bench he was a better player then harden overall, everyone wants to trade Matthews but don't realize he is key to our defense along with batum so I believe we need to make sure Matthews stays a blazer, he can shine, just look at the finals, harden looked lost offensively and defensively against lebron and d-wade and Matthews didn't struggle against the heat during the regular season
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:20 PM

    If D. Lill pans out, and it looks like he will, a line up of Lillard,Wesley,Batum , L.A. and whomever is damned decent. Brendan Haywood even can come in and give us a Big body. We should bid on him. What have we got to lose.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:23 PM

    Houston has amnestied Scola (via Woj)-
    Houston has decided to use the amnesty provision on Luis Scola and will likely file with NBA on Friday, league sources tell Y! Sports. 
    Scola has three years and $21 million left on his contract. The Rockets are clearing space in pursuit of a Dwight Howard deal. 
    Would he be a good fit in Portland? I love his game, but that means a lot of center for Aldridge.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:28 PM

    Scola is 70 years old.No thanks. D22, why havent we reached out to JaVale McGee ?
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  1. GPC
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:30 PM

    First of all thanks for the welcome to the forum, and I have enjoyed the banter and passion of the fans for the Portland Trailblazers. If Olshey were to let Batum walk, then to not take a proposed deal of two firsts and Korver would be foolish. I am thinking that Olshey has no intentions to let that happen, that's why I said it's a lousy deal. I am no expert on trades or cap space but I think Olshey is. He will need a little time to sort all of this out. After he brings on a new head coach and gets his input he will target some players to improve the roster if he already hasn't. If Olshey decides on picks and a player for Batum I would imagine its to collect as many assets as possible to make a trade to a team that has that star player he is targeting, and probably a team that is going to be in cap hell next year or is afraid they will lose a player without getting anything in return. Sounds familiar doesn't. I am with all of you on wanting results ASAP but it may take a season or two to get to the finals and win it all. Go Blazers.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:34 PM

    I'd bid on Haywood alot faster than Scola.


    NOOOOO SCOLA!
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2012 6:50 PM

    All day 24/7. Im still trippin on the fact that we havent reached out to J. McGee. Id love to see this line-up.





    Lillard

    Matthews

    Batum ?

    L.A.

    McGee



    Bench:

    Nolan/Barton

    E.Will/Barton

    Barton/Babbitt

    JJ/ ?

    Leonard/Pryz

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