Lopez trains with Hakeem
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/10/2013 10:52 AM

    Check out this vid posted yesterday of Robin Lopez (and Brook) working out with and getting notes from Hakeem...

     

    Interesting thing I noticed: right off the bat, the drill Hakeem is having the Lopez brothers go through, as you can hear him say repeatedly, is to "change momentum" on their drives to get better shots. The brothers take turns, and it seems visibly obvious to me that Robin is paying more attention to what's being asked, and putting in noticeably better effort to get it right.

     

    Brook looks bored and sluggish, hardly changing momentum at all, as evident by Hakeem's low-tone "NO" when the older Lopez brother makes his move. Robin, on the other hand, is using more aggressive footwork and dribblework, obviously trying to imitate (in a good way) his tutor's motions. That being said, Robin's shot also looks a bit flat compared to Brook's (not surprised, really). He also tends to go glass from the side, which I'm pretty ok with as it will make it harder for defenders to block, and helps to make up for his lack of arc in the jumper. Besides, we all know that Brook is the offensive-minded brother, while Robin prefers to focus on D. They've stated that in interviews before.

     

    The main point here though: The difference in effort between the two is more than obvious, even in this short clip. This gets me that much more excited about Robin Lopez joining our team, because this is the type of player that Portland seeks; the effort guy, the one who's going to play active, smart basketball, and make an effort to improve every chance he gets.

     

    Seriously, Brook, how do you look so lazy when you're being tutored by one of the all-time greats? Whether you're a pro or not, that seems like something that should ALWAYS get you going.

     

    Respect for Sideshow Bob is rising!

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/10/2013 11:10 AM

    Music to my ears. Leonard should workout with the Dream as well. I think Robin has more upside than his brother. He has gotten better since the first time i saw him.He undoubtedly has heard the naysayers that overly critique his game. If he stays injury free, we have a chance to do something really special this year. Stotts also gave praise to Leonard, saying that he looks more comfortable with his game.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/10/2013 11:14 AM

    Hakeem looks like he is still in great shape, we should sign him. hahahahahahaha
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/10/2013 11:32 AM

    Haha excellent, get him on the vet minimum or MLE!
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 07/10/2013 5:44 PM

    They say it takes longer for bigs to finally get it in the NBA. Seems like Robin took awhile but is about to take the next step and you're right, Brook looks lethargic and is mailing it in. I like seeing Robin develop the Duncan bank shot. It's the best way for him to make shots. Thanks for sharing this clip...pretty cool. Hakeem is in shape for an old man. He's so smooth it's unbelievable. Meyers needs to take this class.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/10/2013 8:10 PM

    Brook looked like he has never played in the post before.  Hakeem would tell him, and show him over and over, and he looked like he was tripping over himself simply to back pivot and make a move.  It's like he was thinking, "we'll I won't use that in a game," and just walking in for a 1/2-@ssed layup.  I don't want to be too critical given it's such a small sample, but from that clip, I got the impression that Robin was definitely putting forth more effort to follow his instructions, and Brook was just there cause maybe they got a 2 for 1 deal on the coaching session.  Face it, Brook's made it.  Robin is still out to prove something.

     

    Coming off his best season, I think Robin 2 things going for him. He feels a chip on his shoulder, and a new fan base, coach, and teamates to garner their respect.  Sure, it's a job for these guys, but it looked to me that the fresh start Robin has here in Portland will prove a big factor in the time and effort he puts into preparing to fill some giant, empty shoes in the paint.  That kind of chip is what we love about Lillard, and that kind of effort (going after rebounds and dunking) is what we loved about JJ.  He's clearly not in the conversation of most skilled centers in the NBA, but I think the fit is as good as we fans could have hoped for if we also wanted a respectable bench.  Really hoping the work he puts in translate to another career year for him.  And with that I say, welcome to Potland!!!

  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/10/2013 9:44 PM

    He definitely looked like he was applying himself to the lesson. (I still haven't seen anyone with moves even reminiscent of Hakeem's, by the way.)


    I think he will contribute on offense even without plays called for him. He hustles, and that's huge for people like Dame and LaMarcus who already get so many looks near the rim. He'll grab offensive rebounds and he finishes well under the rim. Seeing him add post moves is great; just one more thing he can use to contribute to the team. Defensive minded player with adequate offensive skills. That's a good piece.

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/10/2013 10:08 PM

    Just gotta ask Fanatic, did you MEAN to say "welcome to Potland" cuz that was awesome.

     

    Glad you guys all agree with my assesment on their training clip; Robin definitely looks like he's got a chip on his shoulder (good thing) and is ready to prove himself. Gotta say, we have some funny trends up here... last year we take a chip-on-his-shoulder rookie from a small school who broke his foot and missed most of a season, as well as grabbing an underrated PF who hadn't found a spot on the rosters he'd played on previously, and he ends up having a career season with us (before shipping off to Denver)... 

     

    And now this year, we draft another small school chip-on-his-shoulder rookie who had a foot injury and missed most of a season, plus we grabbed TWO players who have tons of upside potential but hadn't seemed to fit on their previous rosters. Welcome to Rip City, CJ TRob and RoLo!

     

    If these trends work out for us two years in a row, there are going to be so many journalists with their heads exploding! Hopefully that includes Canzano, Tokito, and Quick. Sorry, Jason Quick, to mention you in the same sentence as Canzano, but you are in the doghouse until you get over this lame and depressing cynicism, your writing has gone WAY downhill! And Mike Tokito, you just need a new job. No excuse for the lame things you've been writing.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/11/2013 9:41 AM

    No pun intended. ; )  Welcome, as in, "come in and grab a beer, the game is about to start."

     

    About these "journalists."  I try not to beat up on the beat writers and sports "reporters" TOO much.  BUT... I think what has happened with guys like Clownzano and Quick-to-report-poo is that they lose sight of why ppl read or listen to them in the first place; they have access and we fans want information.  We want the story and the facts, not the some gossip girls garbage or over-processed fruit cake.  Too often opinion over-rides the actual story, rather than enhancing it and making it more palatable, if not pleasing.  It's one thing to tell the story as you see it unfold, and entirely different to lose the premise entirely to go off on what you think should happen, why you think something happened, or how much you like or dislike something.  I realize these guys get sad when clicks or listeners drop (that is assuming they have any pride in their job).  But when the "I have a take and it's more important than the story" comes across, it's a huge turn-off and doesn't do what's actually going on,the fans, or the journalist writing said pile of dung any justice.

     

    It reminds me of reading different articles and "takes" on the evening of LA's epic clutch performance vs Dallas (the 3... the turn-around... the win) last season.  Those stories about that game were great, told from the perspective of different individual.  Quite the easy story to write, but still.  Most Blazer fans aren't all about being incredulously homer-happy, any more than they want to be check-book championships.  Most simply want to know more about their team (the players) and be entertained. Spare us the manufactured drama. Just tell the story.  Even if it isn't quite as good, if they'd just stick to telling it as it happened, people would respect them more.  If the drama isn't organic to the story, save it for a personal diary.

  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/11/2013 11:00 AM

    Oh I wasn't talkin about the 'welcome' part, as much as the missing 'r' :P

     

    Yeah, I'm getting really sick of these journalists. I know the whole cliche about writing for the lowest common denominator, and I know that this doesn't just happen in Portland, but I feel like our media used to be BETTER than this. Canzano's an idiot and he's always been an idiot, but I think part of the problem is that he seems to be one of, if not THE, highest rated "journalist" in Portland sports. Jason Quick used to be respectable, I loved following when his new articles would come out because he'd have REAL insight. Now he just sounds like he's sitting, depressed we can't be champions and unwilling to look at it any other way.

     

    Another great article I found on Blazersedge talking about Quick and Portland's lack of true journalism. Feel like this puts it really concisely, now all we have to do is get the journalists to read it, spend some time thinking about themselves, and then spend the time fixing themselves and their work!

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/11/2013 11:11 AM

    Oh, typo. 
  1. BDawg
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    Posted 07/11/2013 7:08 PM

    This team is in DESPERATE need of post play and a rim protector defensively.  I have little to no doubt that Lopez is the latter.  However, I am not convinced he is this team's answer at the other end, simply because he dropped a cool 100K Hakeem's way and took some direction.  Proof will be in the pudding, and opening night can't come fast enough.  Lopez, when healthy, is an excellent pick-and-roll 5 and a player who prefers the high post...based on past history.  Sound familiar?  It should, because that is LaMarcus.  Someone on this team HAS to go down on the block.  PLEASE!  Until and unless this team finds, at the very least, a threat in the post, and develops an inside-out offense...look for and expect more disappointment in the future.  Jumpshooting teams never advance beyond the semis.

     

    All that said, I do like the Lopez signing from a contractual standpoint. Obtaining the services of what in todays NBA landscape is considered a starting caliber 5 for a mere 5 mil is genius.  Additionally, trading for a center without one (Hickson) is all but impossible, and Olshey gave up next to nothing to sign Lopez.  Olshey now has something to offer in a deal.  Brilliant.  

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/12/2013 11:28 AM

    Even if Lopez really had much of a tendency to play high post before, I doubt that will be his role on offense next to LaMarcus, and he doesn't really require touches to work, so at the very least I feel like Stotts can turn him into a low-post pass option if Aldridge is getting pressure or sees an easy passing lane. But like Robin said in the interview yesterday, his focus will be on the defensive end. Also, pretty sure if TRob has any strength so far, it's his offense around the bucket. So even if Lopez doesn't aim to be an offensive weapon, we still have a quick young PF with the skills to develop into a legit threat. JJ-lite, anyone?
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  1. Simpson
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    Posted 07/12/2013 11:45 AM

    @ Blazer247, well said :)  I think T-Rob will eventually (T-Rob WILL give us moments of awesomeness BUT we MUST have patience) become JJ-PLUS; I'm STILL a fan of JJ & what he did 4 us but I c T-Rob becoming a pretty good defender too :)
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/12/2013 11:56 AM

    Yeah my hope is definitely that TRob has the same energy/motor/hustle that JJ showed us, but hopefully Robinson brings better D, and at the natural position that they both play.

     

    Best of luck to Hickson!

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2013 1:33 PM

    When Robinson is on his game,he gets after it defensively too. Great off ball defender. Chase down blocks. Im anxious to see what kind of defense Wes,Batum and Robinson can bring when they're on the floor together.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/12/2013 1:38 PM

    Well also, I think we forget that LaMarcus can fill the center role on offense quite easily. He's one of the best back to basket scorers in the NBA, and he passes out of the double team pretty well. So what we needed in a center was a guy that can defend bigs and alter/block shots at the rim. I believe that's why Olshey didn't rave about getting a two-way center. We have post scoring if we want it... maybe the problem is that Terry Stotts hasn't proven that he wants it, but that's another debate.

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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 07/12/2013 1:38 PM

    Lopez will learn quickly, that opponents will swarm on Lillard. This should open up back door alleys for Lopez to squeeze through. He's going to get some nice looks here in Portland. If Robin can drive the hoop and give us some offense, it will really compliment his defensive game.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2013 4:08 PM

    When you feed the big man,he will defend for you. We wont have to call any plays for him either. Run down the middle,post up on the right block, let L.A. have his favorite spot on the left block. Batum and Wes on the wing. I like our chances. Knock down shooters means no cheating defenses.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 07/12/2013 4:14 PM

    LaMarcus said he was going to work extensively on the right block offseason so hopefully he won't have a favorite come regular season.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/12/2013 9:45 PM

    True that riverman.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 07/20/2013 4:22 PM

    No team in recent memory has won an NBA championship (or for that matter even had a deep playoff run) without an inside presence.  Knock down shooting teams are also called lottery teams.  Closest example I can think of is Dallas, who won ONE ring and are in the cellar now, and they had Chandler.  Outside of TC, that team was predominantly perimeter behind Dirk.  Jumpshooting teams simply don't win.  You must rebound, defend, and have some sort of inside presence.  Is Lopez enough?  That is the question now.
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  1. fredisdead
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    Posted 07/22/2013 12:58 AM

    whats Miami considered cause they really dont have a big inside presence but they get to the rack when they want but still no big man holding down the paint bosh isnt a inside presence never has been id argue LMA is more physical then bosh

  1. riverman
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    Posted 07/22/2013 7:31 PM

    Agree with fred on this one, lot of championship teams since Jordan's Bulls have won with mediocre centers. Joel Anthony, Will Perdue, Cartwright, Wennington,  Perkins, Ben Wallace, By no stretch dominant centers. The game has changed. It's all about team defense and shooting the 3 well these days. Funny since the Bulls got a great center, they haven't won a ring.
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  1. fredisdead
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    Posted 07/23/2013 1:00 AM

    riverman ben wallace was dominant defensively when they won the championship and the bulls are over due i think i think they could take Miami with a healthy rose there coach is better i hate how goo people think spostra is i could coach D wade,lebron  and bosh and win a championship just sayin

  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/23/2013 8:21 AM

    Yeah Ben Wallace was a beast.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 07/23/2013 12:39 PM

    Ben was part of a team that was collectively a defensive beast but look at his career before and after Larry Brown. He was not a dominant center. He's 6'9 and can't score. Therefore, those Pistons won without Shaq or a dominant center in the post...I'm just refuting the idea that you have to have a legit dominant center to win a ring in the modern game. It helps but doesn't guarantee a ring. Will Perdue has a fist full of championship rings with the Bulls and the Spurs and he's, well, Will Perdue.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 07/23/2013 5:52 PM

    Thank you all for making my point.  Chicago, during the Jordan era had the best player in the game in MJ, and a player that could consistently get his own...much of which was of the high percentage variety and in the paint.  Portland has...?  That's right...notta.  By inside presence, don't assume I am meaning a 5 necessarily.  I am referring to looks that aren't contested perimeter jumpers.  Miami?  Well, they have what Chicago had...the best player in the game.  What a coincidence.  LeBron also happens to be decent at finishing in the paint prolifically, providing his team with numberous high percentage looks in every contest.  Portland has zero...other than the rook responsible for distributing the ball...also a gifted long range shooter.  This team MUST find post offense from somewhere.
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/23/2013 7:34 PM

    If only we had a two time All Star, best PF in the league, who is probably the last player on earth with legit post moves. Oh, wait.

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 07/24/2013 1:22 AM

    If only LA went in the post more 

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 07/26/2013 6:23 AM

    While Aldridge has ascended the PF ladder nicely, he does the bulk of his damage from the perimeter...much like everyone else wearing the scarlet, black, and white.


    My point simply is that this team lacks player/players able to get high percentage looks consistently and regularly, which directly correlates to other things less obvious, but equally important to success.  Things like getting the opposition into the penalty.  Traditionally, these looks have come from post play.  However, said attempts can also come from a strong slasher and finisher...quickly becoming disproportionately responsible for points in the paint in today's NBA, as we bid farewell to the traditional 4s and 5s.  Miami has two of the best in Bron and Wade.  The ability to collapse defenses...this Portland team doesn't have that (at least not pre-Lopez) 





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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/26/2013 6:56 PM

    Dee Bost will be joining us once again in preseason camp.
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  1. fredisdead
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    Posted 07/26/2013 10:24 PM

    so i hope he taught him more then offense cause he's here to protect the rim and grab boards

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    Posted 07/27/2013 6:28 PM

    Any dance lesson from the Dream is money well spent on both ends of the court in my view
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/30/2013 3:12 PM

    Wow, that circled back around to the topic perfectly. Don't worry though Fred, RoLo is definitely a defense-first player. As long as he can avoid injuries, I think we'll be seeing production alot more like his last season, and not the 4 previous ones. That, plus Dame improving his D, efficiency, and leadership, plus Aldridge having help in the paint and therefore multiple options, plus a BENCH worthy of capital letters... this is gonna be fun.

     

    Honestly, as much as I know it's hard to know anything yet about how well our new team will fit together, I feel like Olshey has really built our team with the right balance of analytics and character for Portland going forward. Flashiness be damned, we've got ourselves a good set of workers and team-players, and a good bit of talent to spread around as well. I'm seeing potential connections that could really bring about the best in each of the pieces, and that could make a dangerously strong team.

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