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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 05/08/2013 6:17 PM

    1. LeBron's buzzer-beater went through the hoop from underneath and fell back through. It counted???

    2. Handed out technicals like lollipops.

    3. Botched a goaltend call (haven't we seen that before)?

    4. Called traveling on a player that was clearly fouled first.


    Somebody just fire this guy... please.


    The only saving grace was that Miami clearly blew out Chicago, so he at least can't be blamed for Chicago's loss.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 05/08/2013 7:41 PM

    As much as i dislike the inconsistency of todays refs,they are a neccessary evil. But more importantly is that the game should never be in their hands to begin with. Miami's intensity was on full display tonight. Just like San Antonio's is as i write. I am looking forward to the Blazers eventually, hopefully one day having the fire of a Chicago Bulls, who just have such heart and get-after-it with a no excuses mentality.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 05/08/2013 9:06 PM

    I'm not saying get rid of all the refs. Refs are necessary. I'm saying Scott Foster has a tendency to negatively affect the games he officiates. That's a bad ref. Why does this man have a job. It also makes me question the quality of referee training, evaluation, and accountability.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/08/2013 11:19 PM

    Refs should get fined for bad calls. But then Stern couldn't control the games. Remember, Lakers-Kings, Lakers-Bulls, and game the Lakers played in the 12-13 season. Especially the last two against PDX and their crucial one against GSW.

    Steve Blake handling the ball, Dwight Howard sets and ILLEGAL screen, Curry tries to go through, CURRY gets called for the foul on Dwight, STEVE BLAKE shoots free throws. And this was a clutch moment.

    Players and coaches don't have freedom of speech in the NBA. If they say something Stern doesn't like, BAM, fined.

    How does he get away with fining Pop for resting his players?

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 05/09/2013 10:09 AM

    FINALLY, a thread about affecting NBA basketball and not just theoretical fantasy or videogame-esque trades that may or may not be completely baseless. So proud of you guys :P

    I'm sure everyone's heard my broken record about this stuff before, so not gonna go overboard... but...

    Scott Foster is the ONLY currently active ref that is directly singled out in disgraced-cheater-ref Tim Donaghy's memos (pretty sure he mentions 2 other refs he went to school with, but there is no confusion on which ref has the closest relationship with Donaghy - Scott Foster - and still does today) as someone who was "similarly involved" in what Donaghy was doing... CHEATING to make money and abusing his power for personal gain.

    Gotta disagree with Common about this specific kind of ref being a "necessary evil"; refs themselves will always be necessary, but not refs like Foster. He is a CHEATER.

    There is simply no logical argument to say that any ref, let alone old ones, can keep up with the fastest most elite athletes in the world, and therefore be capable of accurately doing their job, without the aid of 21st century technology. Even if the best NBA refs were in their physical prime, with all the experience they have now, they STILL would not be able to do their jobs well enough, because these athletes are just too fast! If referees are any sort of necessary evil, then the use of cameras is ABSOLUTELY necessary to ensure that the game is being decided by the athletes and nothing else.

    Cameras cover more angles than refs, on every play of every game, and have unquestionably more accurate viewing tools than the aging eyes of elderly men. Period.

    They even mentioned it on a broadcast the other night during playoffs; one of the announcers said it would make alot of sense to take the 4th ref (the backup ref available for every game, just incase one of the other 3 needs to be replaced) and stick him on a video review. He's already getting paid, but right now all the 4th ref does for most games is eat hot dogs and drink coffee (again, this was the commentary from the analysts during the game).

    If he was instead used as the video review official, he could hand out quick decisions on slow-mo replays, avoiding the time wasting that seems to the be biggest argument against using more cameras.

    To say, like Common suggests, that the responsibility comes down to a team's intensity, is always going to be useless as long as the refs can have such direct manipulation over the momentum and flow of the game. On the other hand, if the officiating can be cleaned up and forced to be more consistently accurate, then there is no question that the responsibility will fall on the team's shoulders; the way basketball SHOULD be. This is completely 100% possible, TODAY, with the tools we have at every NBA game.

    This is not, however, what we will ever get to watch, as long as refs like Foster are allowed to not only keep their job despite their mistakes, but are given preferential positions to be in charge of playoff games and the biggest decisions in the sport.

    David Stern is a cancer on the heart of basketball, but his largest offense to the NBA is how he has not only allowed the officials to completely run over the actual game of basketball, but he has repeatedly protected them and possibly even given them MORE power.

    Instead of coaches speaking up and losing such a large chunk of their salary, I wish the overpaid players would take it upon themselves more often to respond like Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson did; call the refs on their garbage, but then, instead of rolling over in the press conference, stick to your values, eat the fine, and hope for the inevitable change. Or better yet, when coaches and players sign new contracts, I wish one of them would have the balls to point at the paragraph that keeps them from criticizing the refs, and say "change this, now". Contracts change, and like RC14 said, this is taking away their freedom of speech. Keep some language in there about not going over the line, but stop acting like the officials are infallible.

    And throw Scott Foster in Donaghy's cell.

    I am a fan of BLAZER BASKETBALL. Not drafts, not business, not trades, not David Stern. Just BLAZER BASKETBALL.
  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 05/09/2013 10:14 AM

    Also, RC14: Refs DO get fined for bad calls... just in soccer, not basketball. Funny, how the sport that is most commonly stereotyped as having too many floppers and rules that are too vague and nondescript, is the sport that holds it's officials accountable for their decisions. The Fosters and Donaghys of soccer get fined, get games taken away from them, and get dropped to lower leagues or lose their jobs. Thank the gods that there is no Stern in soccer!
    I am a fan of BLAZER BASKETBALL. Not drafts, not business, not trades, not David Stern. Just BLAZER BASKETBALL.
  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/09/2013 10:16 AM

    Word Blazer, word. I wish that one day, the team that GETS the calls, would step up and say, we didn't deserve to win that match. Then people would listen. Right now, everyone says it's a conspiracy, but it's not. Conspiracy is secret, hush hush, on the down low, this is blatant. In the 21st century where we can see any match whenever we want, why hasn't anyone stepped up and pointed out obvious 'mistakes'?

    Even after Stern retires, he will still be pulling the strings. This is never going to change unless someone does something. I thought America was all about democracy and freedom. How can this be allowed to happen?

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 05/09/2013 3:00 PM

    good topic and refreshing. on Lebrons buzzerbeater I thought that is what happened but I noticed that a replay was never shown. not sure the ruling on that but I thought it was like offensive goal tending.

    good history lesson on Scott Foster I am wondering if he was the ref during the Clippers/Grizzlies series last year where the refs basically won that series for the Clippers/ and allowed the new flop rule to come out. the officiating in that series made me want to puke and that who;e team of refs should have been banned from basketball period.

    Usually in a decently officiated game of basketball when a ref makes a bad call he calls one on the other end of the court to even up the calls. I have never had a problem with that. the same thing usually happens in football. Most officials ( I would like to believe ) want a clean game and good sportsmanship. Last night I saw alot of technicals given out in trying to calm down the game. The drive by clothesline  that Chalmers did to Noah  should have resulted in a 1 game suspension at least . I equate that worse than what Ron Artest did with the swinging of the elbow that netted him a 3 game suspension. Hard fouls in a game as long as they are clean I do not have a problem with and think that they are part of the game  like when Wade got wrapped up to prevent a dunk. It was a foregone conclusion that the Bulls were going to lose that game,the fact that they won the first game shows the kind of intestinal fortitude that we would like to see in our team.

    I am semi against anymore intrusion of instant replays at this point but if games continue to be officiated like this I wont be.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 05/09/2013 4:37 PM

    I certainly didnt mean that Scott or any other cheater is a neccessary evil. Only that without them on the floor, i could only imagine the bloodshed. I hate blown calls or wrong calls,but unfortunately thats part of the game. Good points though BLAZER.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/09/2013 11:36 PM

    Refs should get penalized for blowing important calls when they could take the time to get it right. If they got fined or suspended it would clean up the game considerably. At playoff times the refs with the fewest penalties would call the playoffs. I also think ex players should become refs. My first vote for an ex player to ref...Rasheed Wallace! Scott Foster has made so many bad calls one wonders if his pockets are lined with bookies picks. Brandon Roy would probably make a great ref. Guys that can see the court well could ref well
    I am a fan of A team that plays like Tower of Power on a big stage on a good night
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