SHOT SELECTION AS A FACTOR OF SMART BASKETBALL (Re-named)
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 03/18/2013 6:40 PM

    PLEASE, someone tell me how this statement is wrong: "A turning, fadeaway jumper will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be more difficult than a post-move that results in a close-up shot or layup."

     

    I'm sick of people saying "just accept Aldridge for who he is", saying that we shouldn't complain when he takes too many jump shots in situations where he could take easier, more dominant shots with a higher % of success.

    I understand that a jumpshot, and even a fadeaway-jumpshot, are part of LaMarcus' arsenal. I understand that he has an amazing touch for it, putting him in the same group (eventually, if not already) as Dirk Nowitzki and Tim Duncan, when it comes to bigs with an outside jumper as a viable weapon. THAT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT PLAYING SMART BY TAKING THE BEST SHOT.

    The smart play, when in the CLOSING SECONDS of a game, with the win on the line, RECEIVING THE BALL IN THE POST, and the FLOOR IS SPREAD so you can't get a solid double-team against you, and you have the following options:

    - a fadeaway-jumpshot (even for Aldridge, it's barely better than a coinflip over his career from 12-18 feet, and tonight it's slightly worse than a coinflip, plus he's tired, plus a ready defender) vs

    - a turn-to-the-bucket-layup/CLOSER-jumpshot (Aldridge is at LEAST 5% better/MORE LIKELY TO HIT THE SHOT within 10 feet than he is from 12-18 feet)

    The answer is ALWAYS to TAKE THE CLOSER SHOT. PERIOD. GAME OVER AND BLAZERS WIN...

    But not if Aldridge has anything to say about it!

     

    I love Stotts' decisions throughout the game. Smart to put it on Dame and make him show up, after some misses he should make. Smart to play Luke when he did. SMART TO GO TO ALDRIDGE on the final play. 

    But NOT SMART OF ALDRIDGE to take yet another fading jumper.

    Yes, it's a good weapon for Aldridge. NO, IT IS NOT HIS BEST SHOT.

     

    If you truly, honestly believe that I'm wrong in this assessment, then you are the one I want to hear from the most. Tell me why that on the final play, with the game on the line, that the play Aldridge took was the smartest play for him to take.

    If you just want to talk about jumpers/outside shots vs inside shots, we can have that discussion, somewhere else.

    Please, someone explain to me why, with the game on the line and no double team coming, and guarded only by Spencer Hawes, WHY IS ALDRIDGE TAKING A TURNING, FADEAWAY JUMPER at approximately 15-18 feet INSTEAD OF PIVOT, and LAYUP or CLOSER JUMPER with a higher likelihood to get in the basket and win the game, or a higher likelihood to get fouled?

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 03/18/2013 6:44 PM

    I understand the idea that, over time/a long career in the NBA, jumpshots are valuable. Like Erik pointed out in chat tonight, it helps him stay healthy by avoiding banging down low as often, giving him a leg up in the war of attrition.

     

    I understand that this was a good or great game for Aldridge tonight! Overall the stats aren't bad at all, and I'm still proud of him! 

     

    BUT HIS LAST SHOT WAS WRONG, AND IT WAS WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE. YOU MUST PLAY SMART BASKETBALL. PERIOD.

    LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE IS TOO GOOD FOR THIS TO BE ACCEPTABLE!!!

    Ok, so are we absolutely clear about the specificity of this thread? PLEASE, someone explain this to me. What am I missing here that justifies Aldridge's last play?

     

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 03/18/2013 7:02 PM

    Gotta clear up a little more perspective:

    I do NOT want Aldridge gone, I want him to stay a Blazer til he retires.

    I don't want him to change his game by simply not taking jumpers, I just want him to select them better. I'm not allergic to the J (ha), but I absolutely think that it being a good weapon for LaMarcus does not justify it being his go-to weapon. Especially with the game on the line and receiving the ball in the 12-15 foot range (or closer).

    No matter how good LaMarcus is at the jumpshot, his numbers are undeniably better even closer to the hoop. That's simply fact! Yes, Aldridge will make the shot he took tonight MOST of the time. But, he'll make a closer shot EVEN MORE MOST OF THE TIME!!! And really, who doesn't want "even more most of the time"?

    When you grow up playing sports, you are constantly taught to think ahead, and know your options before you get into a situation. The difficulty of doing this in basketball (or soccer) is one of the reasons that I believe it to be such a superior sport to football and baseball; you MUST be able to make the smart decision in a moment's notice, often on your own, without the assistance of a coach or the time to think things over.

    To not try your best at that... makes you undeserving of your spot on the team.

    That's what we were taught, and I will ALWAYS hold professional athletes to that standard, especially the leader of our team. Like Dwight Jaynes said (it pains me to agree with him), "take it inside, take it right to the basket, you'll get fouled" ...or make the shot, and win the game either way.

    BETTER THAN WHAT ALDRIDGE DID. Love the guy, but he needs to be called out on finishing at the rim. This cements that beyond a doubt.

    Please please please, if you can logically explain to me why another course of action makes more sense, I honestly would really appreciate it. This is maddening.

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 03/18/2013 7:19 PM

    Seein lots of views of the thread, no other posters.

     

    I'd like to assume that to mean most readers agree with the assessment, but I know that someone out there has got to be wanting to support Aldridge's last shot.

    I have no desire to criticize you, but I really really really want to talk to someone who can explain to me how it makes sense for him to do what he did. It blows my mind that despite endlessly improving his game and playing so well in recent times, Aldridge continues to make the same mistake that he's been criticized for since pretty much his first day in the NBA; too many jumpshots, not wanting to get physical if he doesn't have to, not playing aggressively enough.

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 03/18/2013 7:24 PM

    Orlando agrees! Just said on Talkin Ball 'yes i like that shot, right now it's one of the most consistent in the nba... is there a BETTER shot? yes there is" and dwight again echoes the same sentiment... Ok, so I'M NOT CRAZY!

     

    SO WHY CAN'T LAMARCUS LEARN YET?!? 

     

    It's not about hindsight when it's about wanting the BEST shot to win the game. PLAY SMART BALL, ALDRIDGE.

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 03/18/2013 11:16 PM

    He can't learn because he is a huge idiot. He doesn't have the God-given ability to make good decisions. He never had to work his ass off for anything and all he had to do was be born 6"11. LA just wasn't built the same way as Lebron, Kobe, or Durant were. He's just a loser.

    Oh, and the coach who drew up the play, yeah, well he's not responsible.

    Sorry, were those the type of posts you were looking for? I respect your opinion, but all this causes is unnecessary drama. You know the kind of fan chat you're feeding into.. Even if you aren't someone who thinks LA is "bad." You're still bringing around all the other negative banter from all of the trade-LA talk.

     

    To me, if anything, you should be complaining about Stotts, yet you say good job to Stotts for giving the ball to LA. So in a nutshell, we know Aldridge has been more willing to shoot fadeaways than post shots in the final scoring play of the game. So you don't think that any of this falls on Stotts? He was just clueless to what was going to happen... Nevertheless, for you to be this angry because of a players' style of play is not needed.

    I do get your point Lamarcus to the block is better. But you know Dirk couldn't always nail fade aways til he got a little more mature.. so it doesn't mean don't even try it, because that's how you learn.

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 03/19/2013 12:31 AM

     

    1 LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-01-14 POR @ HOU L 4th 0:22.9 Make LaMarcus Aldridge makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft (assist by Raymond Felton) (POR 97, HOU 97)
    2 LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-02-11 POR @ DAL L 4th 0:12.9 Make LaMarcus Aldridge makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft (POR 81, DAL 81)
    3 LaMarcus Aldridge 2007-03-25 POR @ MIN L 4th 0:08.4 Make LaMarcus Aldridge makes 2-pt shot at rim (POR 93, MIN 92)
    4 LaMarcus Aldridge 2013-01-29 POR DAL W 4th 0:04.9 Make LaMarcus Aldridge makes 3-pt shot from 23 ft (assist by Nicolas Batum) (POR 104, DAL 104)
    5 LaMarcus Aldridge 2008-03-07 POR @ MIL W 4th 0:02.4 Make LaMarcus Aldridge makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft (assist by Brandon Roy) (POR 103, MIL 101)
    6 LaMarcus Aldridge 2013-01-29 POR DAL W 4th 0:00.2 Make LaMarcus Aldridge makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft (assist by Wesley Matthews) (POR 106, DAL 104)
    7 LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-02-11 POR @ DAL L OT 0:23.9 Make LaMarcus Aldridge makes 2-pt shot from 11 ft (POR 87, DAL 87)
    8 LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-04-06 POR @ DAL W OT 0:00.3 Make LaMarcus Aldridge makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft (POR 99, DAL 97)
    9 LaMarcus Aldridge 2013-02-22 POR @ LAL L 4th 0:15.9 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 16 ft (POR 105, LAL 107)
    10 LaMarcus Aldridge 2013-02-27 POR DEN L 4th 0:14.9 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 9 ft (POR 106, DEN 108)
    11 LaMarcus Aldridge 2010-04-11 POR @ LAL W 4th 0:12.7 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot at rim (POR 86, LAL 87)
    12 LaMarcus Aldridge 2011-01-19 POR @ SAC W 4th 0:01.9 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 14 ft (POR 85, SAC 85)
    13 LaMarcus Aldridge 2013-01-13 POR OKC L 4th 0:01.7 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 19 ft (POR 83, OKC 85)
    14 LaMarcus Aldridge 2010-01-30 POR @ DAL W 4th 0:00.4 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 22 ft (POR 103, DAL 103)
    15 LaMarcus Aldridge 2011-01-04 POR @ DAL L 4th 0:00.4 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 3-pt shot from 25 ft (POR 81, DAL 84)
    16 LaMarcus Aldridge 2013-02-27 POR DEN L 4th 0:00.3 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 9 ft (POR 109, DEN 111)
    17 LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-11-10 POR SAS L 4th 0:00.1 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 3-pt shot from 34 ft (POR 109, SAS 112)
    18 LaMarcus Aldridge 2011-02-23 POR LAL L 4th 0:00.1 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 2 ft (POR 87, LAL 87)
    19 LaMarcus Aldridge 2010-01-22 POR @ BOS L 4th 0:00.0 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 6 ft (block by Kendrick Perkins) (POR 91, BOS 91)
    20 LaMarcus Aldridge 2010-01-22 POR @ BOS L OT 0:19.1 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 19 ft (POR 95, BOS 96)
    Rk Player Date Tm Opp Qtr Time Result Description
    21 LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-12-01 POR @ CLE W 2OT 0:09.9 Miss LaMarcus Aldridge misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft (POR 115, CLE 116)

     

     

    So add in the game earlier.. that makes Aldridge 8-22 in potential game-winning/tieing shots. That makes his game-winning/tieing percentage at 36%. Kobe's is 30% (spared the space in putting the 170 attempts he's made, trust my math skills ;). Obviously the more times you do it, the harder it is to keep a percentage, due to the degree of difficulty of the shot. But still, at this point it would be baseless to make an argument that Aldridge isn't clutch, because he a) hasn't been in many situations where he has to, yet, and b) stats show that he really isn't bad.

    Just to get out some other players (I'll try to compare some players who are similar to LA) :

    Tim Duncan: 37% (22-60)
    Dirk Nowitzki: 38% (31-82) ; Within his first 6 seasons: 32% (12-38)
    Kevin Durant: 29% (24-82)
    Lebron James: 29% (30-102)

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 03/19/2013 12:34 AM

    What causes unnecessary drama, Knorton, is inflammatory language and baseless criticism, like what you started your post with. If I'm reading it right, you're making a mocking commentary, degrading Aldridge in any way you can to lower his value, in order to somehow point out that my critique of his last play is somehow the same thing? If that's what you're trying to say, I don't get it. Please don't make mountains out of molehills, and you will directly be making it harder for anyone else to do it either, get it? The sarcastic response isn't appreciated nor is it helpful.

    I was very specific that I'm trying to discuss the decision on the final shot. That has absolutely nothing to do with bringing up the over-dramatic response and negative banter that you seem to think is unavoidable if I say anything negative about Aldridge. We have to be able to have an open conversation about a basketball player's play, without it becoming some giant over-reaching grand statement about his total value, so pleeeease, if that's all you can contribute, take it somewhere else :)

    If, instead, you're trying to argue that it's on Stotts more than Aldridge, that seems like a pretty weak excuse, especially when we were told today that Aldridge has been asking Stotts to play him more in the post. If that is the case, then all Stotts did was give him a chance, and LaMarcus turned around (literally) and went the other way with it.

    Sooo yeah, that's still on Aldridge. At the same time, I am a little confused as to why Stotts wouldn't have had JJ in there for the final play, to give one more interior easy-bucket option. Pretty sure Hickson only played 16 minutes, so why not have the fresh big man on the floor?

    Nevertheless, when it comes to a game-winning shot, and the ball is delivered to Aldridge within 12 feet, and there is no double team coming, it still seems to me like the smart play/analytically correct play/the play with the best chance of winning the game, is going to be a close layup/jumper over a turning fadeaway jumper, almost every single time.

    So Knorton, instead of trying to derail the conversation because you don't think I should be so mean to Aldridge, why don't you address the actual question and tell me what you think about it? Or about Stotts' lack of use of JJ?

    Just don't respond with "Stotts isn't controlling LaMarcus enough", cuz that's not what we're talking about here, or with "criticizing LaMarcus in a thread is just gonna bring out the LaMarcus haters", cuz so far, you're the only one who's been posting the "hater" kinda stuff, and I'm still waiting to hear you respond to the actual post :)

     

     

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 03/19/2013 12:38 AM

    Knorton, I LOVE the clutch percentages post! That's awesome :)

    But I wasn't saying Aldridge isn't clutch. Never said it once. 

    I said he made a horrible decision on his last shot tonight, and he should know better.

    Agreed?

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 03/19/2013 3:35 AM

    aldridge is our best player still doesn't mean the ball has to be in his hands in clutch moments.....back in the drexler era he was our best player but that ball almost always was in either porters or ainges hands in clutch moments 

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 03/19/2013 5:27 AM

    Agree with Blaser.  247...if you were to poll the Philly fans in attendence last night, you would find an overwhelming percentage of them thinking that shot was going down.  For me, that's the end all.  I respect your opinion however, and even agree with some of what you are saying.  However, I have no issue with the shot last night under the circumstances.  Remember, officials are not going to blow the whistle in that situation.


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  1. stevestu
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    Posted 03/19/2013 5:54 AM

    I would also like to see more post play out of the Blazers. I think it needs to come from Meyers Leonard. Aldridge is good in the post but he is doubled so often that the fade-away turns into his primary weapon. Whether to go to the rim or take the jumper is a question not just of percentages but of the situation in the split second the player has to make the decision. Aldriges stats say he's pretty good at getting it right.
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 03/19/2013 6:34 AM

    He should never have backed hawes to the top of the key. He should have gone baseline towards the hoop, and done his patented baseline turnaround J. I am happy with that shot. Not with him going near the top of the key, sort of turning around and fading away. At least he could have fakes the turnaround on the baseline (Defender mor elikely to fall for his patented shot) and done an up an under or something, but still I think it wasn't THAT bad of a shot. Could be better, should have been better, but sometimes it just doesn't go in. And under no circumstances should we give Lillard the ball to make the winning shot. We put enough on him as it is. Don't want to add more pressure. Also, we could have put JJ in instead of Babbit, keep LA on the baseline, done and off the ball screen and roll with lillard as the handler and hickson rolling to the rim and ooped it.

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 03/19/2013 7:08 AM

    at this point though after this loss I think it's time to quit over playing them and start giving them average starting minutes and let our rookies and bench get more time on the floor to develop since our playoff push is pretty much coming to a close 

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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 03/19/2013 9:48 AM

    That wasn't a bad play call by stotts or a bad move by L.A. sometimes shots just don't fall.
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 03/19/2013 10:19 AM

    Blazer247, I knew you would like those stats. Pretty cool stuff. I know you aren't someone who thinks he shouldn't be taking his last shot, but should adjust it.

    My point in the first post wasn't to mock you, it's to mock the thousands of other idiots people who I find all the time on this site, as well as blazersedge & in pretty much every comment under OregonLive articles when we lose a game. I'm not saying you're one of those people, who feels the need to make claims that Aldridge isn't that good or we'll never win a championship with him. But posts like yours, just feed into negativity, especially among those types.

    I was merely playing the role of someone I felt would read your post and immediately jump on. I would only suggest you not be so fueled, although I understand why you were, that was a tough loss, when oyu write a post.
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 03/19/2013 10:31 AM

    The first post was a little too directed at you tho even tho I didn't mean it to be, it was just late... and I was pissed lol.

    You know what sucks, the last shot cut out on my stream, no lie, so I didn't even get to see it... buncha BS

    But back to the real topic, I think LA is just trying to find his bball "identity" if that makes sense. Either way tho, I think he's just extremely versatile. It's hard for any one man to defend him.

    Plus when he hit that 3 to tie up the game, I think it possibly made him be like "yeah, my shot is going down no matter what" type-mentality. Considering he had 2 guys in his face and nailed that shot.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 03/19/2013 4:29 PM

    Anyone ever miss a pressure clutch shot? Easy to judge a guy who has over and over put the Blazers in a position to win games they were losing. I think some respect is due to LaMarcus. He's been incredible all year. Actually Wes has made a ton of clutch shots. Damian has missed some clutch shots as well.
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 03/19/2013 11:21 PM

    Yeah riverman. Wes leads the league in Clutch threes, and I'm pretty sure lillard isn't to far behind. Hell, Lamarcus might actually be up there for Power Forwards at least.

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  1. Shootums
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    Posted 03/20/2013 10:47 PM

    You talk about the how the player is supposed to think ahead and know the options.  This is true, and the topic here is last second shots.  In My mind, the last second shot should be some sort of a fake type of juke effort attempt which cannot be defended physically by the opposing player.  It is obvious time and time again that if You physically get fouled at the end of the game, the refs will Not blow the whistle..  Going closer and closer to the hoop at the end of a game will increase the likelihood of the defensive player straight slapping Your body as Your shoot.  The end result will simply be a non-whistle by the officials. 

    On another note; Aldridge's fumbling of balls and the lack of Him recovering close loose balls or scramble plays are to Me, by far the highest and worst I've seen by Him in the past several Years.  I don't watch many other teams games, but I for sure think Aldridge needs to work on these type of things.  It is strange to Me though that I haven't noticed these easily stolen away balls or non-recovered balls for LA nearly as much as I have this year.

  1. riverman
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    Posted 03/23/2013 9:47 AM

    Part of playing "smart" is also something rarely discussed. Staying healthy. LaMarcus plays huge minutes as do most of our starters and he's stayed on the court most of the season. I read an article about Andre Miller and his iron man 17 year career. Few players have stayed as healthy as Dre and he paces himself without jumping unnecessarily when he can find someone with a better look at the rim. LaMarcus is in my opinion, very aware of this factor. Constant dunkers usually have short careers and lots of knee-ankle problems. Playing smart is staying healthy for 82 games or 100 games if you go deep in the playoffs. Duncan is a similar player and he doesn't risk his body for highlights. That's smart ball. I think the style of play LaMarcus plays will reward him with a long career of double double production. It's also why he calls himself a power forward as Duncan also does.
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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 03/23/2013 8:06 PM

    ^ yea thats probably a good thing since 90% of centers usually have alot of injury problems 

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  1. sug81
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    Posted 03/24/2013 12:22 PM

    The shot really wasn't that bad, it's not a bad shot if he makes those kind of shots a lot. Just as it's not a bad shot for Kobe, Lebron, KD, and Dirk to shoot faders with two people on them because they can make them, 247 I get you want him going to the basket, but at this point in his career Lamarcus is gonna shoot the fade away. And riverman love that post.

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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 03/24/2013 2:13 PM

    Well said river funny where was this when LA made those game winners with what oh yeah his fade away jumper sometime we get to the point where we over analyze and I think these are one of those times that's the game sometimes it goes in sometimes it doesn't it's all about the situation you never know next time he might take to the basket and what if he missed are we gonna make another thread of how LA should make better decision around the basket.

     

     

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 03/24/2013 2:50 PM

    naw if it happens again it'll be pretty obvious that he isn't mentally capable of making good decisions

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 03/24/2013 3:28 PM

    L.A. is a beast, but even Beast get tired. Missed fadeaway turnaround ? How about a made three to tie a game. How about that block on OKC called a goaltend { http://youtu.be/S8AY5MJ0blE } which than turned into big thing mentally for the Blazers after that game. The emergence of Lillard has made L.A. go a little under appreciated this year, and thats some bull$@!*  No matter what though, this team is what we have. There are indeed a few players who need to be thrown under the bus, LaMarcus isnt one of them.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 03/25/2013 10:15 AM

    Its time to trade him :-)

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 03/25/2013 10:25 AM

    cmeese47, you messing with us?

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 03/25/2013 10:49 AM

    Mostly I would trade anyone for the right package.

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  1. sug81
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    Posted 03/25/2013 3:53 PM

    Dude, where is the loyalty?

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 03/25/2013 4:24 PM

    Give me a title and then we can talk loyalty until then the whole team can be traded for all I care

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  1. sug81
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    Posted 03/25/2013 8:44 PM

    Damn... COLD

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 03/25/2013 10:51 PM

    Only one I wouldnt trade for anything is Damian Lillard




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  1. riverman
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    Posted 03/26/2013 9:47 AM

    I'm really glad it's Olshey making these decisions. If instant championship gratification is that important, why not follow the Heat? A rebuilding young roster, new coach, first year team might not satisfy your championship needs. I'm loyal to the local high school team and they've never won anything. Would be a boring sport if only the winners had fans.
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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 03/26/2013 4:28 PM

    The way I see it the team can be 82-0 win the title and he still will probably find something to complain about or still want to trade the whole team.
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  1. RipCity 14
    RipCity 14
    Posts: 941

    Posted 03/27/2013 2:15 AM

    This is like the first blazer fan I've met who doesn't care about the team, just a title.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. uprised
    uprised
    Posts: 136

    Posted 03/27/2013 8:51 AM

    Posted By riverman on 03/26/2013 9:47 AM
    I'm really glad it's Olshey making these decisions. If instant championship gratification is that important, why not follow the Heat? A rebuilding young roster, new coach, first year team might not satisfy your championship needs. I'm loyal to the local high school team and they've never won anything. Would be a boring sport if only the winners had fans.

    Because we're not Heat fans?  You can be a fan of a franchise without being emotionally attached to every player on the team.  And being a fair weather fan is not the same as being willing to trade players to get better.  In fact if you are that sentimental, wouldn't you want to see your favorites guys move onto teams that are better?  The team is bigger than individuals.  I'm not advocating trading the entire roster here, but I would trade anybody on this team if it brought us closer to a title.   

    I am a fan of winning
  1. RipCity 14
    RipCity 14
    Posts: 941

    Posted 03/27/2013 9:07 AM

    Very simple really, our starting 5, is the heart and soul of this franchise, none more so than Lamarcus Aldridge. Nobody's trading him.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. riverman
    riverman
    Posts: 1431

    Posted 03/27/2013 9:24 AM

    @uprised...uh, I don't get how you translated my post as because we're not Heat fans? ...I'm not emotionally attached to every player on the team but I am a fan and because they arent' winning a championship this season is no reason to continue to blow up the chemistry and start over and over and over. I've been a Blazer fan since the 70s and I'm still one. Sentimentality has nothing to do with loyalty. I happen to really like 7 players on this team and anybody who's ever read my posts knows I'd like to trade a handful of bench players but throwing your allstars, rookie of the year and veteran starters for something MAYBE better is like gambling. High risk. I believe the team is not far away from contending in the playoffs but to blow it up this season is just ridiculously reckless.
    I am a fan of A team that plays like Tower of Power on a big stage on a good night
  1. Blazer247
    Blazer247
    Posts: 591

    Posted 03/27/2013 10:48 AM

    because they arent' winning a championship this season is no reason to continue to blow up the chemistry and start over and over and over... I'd like to trade a handful of bench players but throwing your {proven quality players} for something MAYBE better is like gambling. High risk. I believe the team is not far away from contending in the playoffs but to blow it up this season is just ridiculously reckless.

    Feel like you nailed it there, River.

     

    But guys, can we PLEASE  re-focus this thread? I was really enjoying most of the discussion I was reading about the ACTUAL topic (LaMarcus' shot selection/timing of jumpers), and then, like Knorton predicted (and thank you sir, for your explanation after, and my apologies to you for a defensive reaction as well), along come the trade talks, and people start attacking each other's comments instead of having any sort of useful discussion. NOT HERE. Ok?

    People made great points about other factors, such as Aldridge's health by staying more out of the fray than people would want him to (and many more solid arguments that I now can't remember), enough so that it proves we CAN have a real conversation about that, without it turning into such a basic argument. Can we PLEASE, just for this thread, all try and stay on that page?

    Like I said, there were some really good posts up above all the trade talk, and as I read them I definitely have things I want to respond to (but there's no time right now!). Maybe if we open it up past LaMarcus, there will be less likelihood of the conversation falling apart, so...

    PLEASE, just keep the conversation about SHOT SELECTION AS A FACTOR OF SMART BASKETBALL.

    I'll even rename the thread to keep it clear :) Thanks guys, can't wait to read/respond more soon.

    I am a fan of BLAZER BASKETBALL. Not drafts, not business, not trades, not David Stern. Just BLAZER BASKETBALL.
  1. uprised
    uprised
    Posts: 136

    Posted 03/27/2013 3:06 PM

    Posted By riverman on 03/27/2013 9:24 AM
    @uprised...uh, I don't get how you translated my post as because we're not Heat fans? ...I'm not emotionally attached to every player on the team but I am a fan and because they arent' winning a championship this season is no reason to continue to blow up the chemistry and start over and over and over. I've been a Blazer fan since the 70s and I'm still one. Sentimentality has nothing to do with loyalty. I happen to really like 7 players on this team and anybody who's ever read my posts knows I'd like to trade a handful of bench players but throwing your allstars, rookie of the year and veteran starters for something MAYBE better is like gambling. High risk. I believe the team is not far away from contending in the playoffs but to blow it up this season is just ridiculously reckless.

    A completley passive aggressive response.  I quoted exactly what you said, and you don't have to read between the lines to know exactly what you meant.   Stand by my remark and all the people here who are consistently called fair weather or disloyal fans when we say this or that player is not performing.  I'm not even talking about LMA at this point which certainly ruffles panties, I get that.  I'm talking about the atmosphere of this forum in general which is full of homers.  You may disagree with trading LMA for any number of reasons, but that is not at all what you said in your previous post.

    I am a fan of winning
  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 03/27/2013 5:05 PM

    Just to clarify I have loyalty it is to the Portland Trailblazers. As a team I want them to win titles above all else. Therefore, I do not care if we have to trade everyone on the team to get it done. 


    Winning is everything. I like a team to see them win. I like players who they are not the team they play on, which is why I like Kobe despite typically hating the Lakers. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. riverman
    riverman
    Posts: 1431

    Posted 03/29/2013 11:15 AM

    When it comes to Lamarcus I'll take a jumper over a free throw at clutch time.
    I am a fan of A team that plays like Tower of Power on a big stage on a good night
  1. RipCity 14
    RipCity 14
    Posts: 941

    Posted 03/30/2013 2:56 AM

    Yeah L.A has been missing a lot of important free throws.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. Curvychloe
    Curvychloe
    Posts: 610

    Posted 03/30/2013 9:36 AM

    everyone's got shot their good at,some dudes can hit 3's but cant seem to stick 15 footers,some dudes can hit a fadeaway but not a freethrow for some reason so it really depends on the guys skill set
    I am a fan of Sexy Blondes at courtside
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