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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/05/2013 11:34 PM

    JJ Hickson has been great but he has been playing out of position and has struggled at times with bigger centers. Leonard has miles to go in his development before he is ready to take over as the starting center on this team. The team could use an upgrade right away especially since we are over achieving and might just make the playoffs this year. However, who is really available for this team to acquire either this year via trade or in free agency.


    Nikola Vucevic- This young 7 footer has had a very solid season averaging over a double double including a massive 20 point 29 rebound effort against Miami. While he has the skills and size to be a great starting center he is not going anywhere. He is currently making under 2 million a season and Orlando has already claimed the option on him for next season. 


    Nikola Pekovic- He is a monster but as a restricted free agent the Wolves will have plenty of options to keep him. I just do not see him going anywhere especially since he pairs very well with Kevin Love. 


    Dwight Howard- Pretty much zero chance to sign him as a free agent this summer.


    Andrew Bynum- Same as Howard. 


    JJ Hickson- he seems like the only real option for this team. 


    Anyone else I missed cause it really looks like our best and only option is to keep JJ. 

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  1. ubahn82
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    Posted 01/06/2013 1:25 AM

    I don't think this team needs a number 1 option at starting center like Howard/Bynum.  We are really looking for someone to come in and play defense, and at best, be the 5th option offensively.


    Vucevic/Pekovic would be extremely nice, but like you said I find it hard to believe that Orl/Minn lets their player go.  Although Olshey just might be able to swindle Kahn, who knows, Minny fans seem pretty convinced that we are going to steal Pek next season, although the cost may not be worth the upside.


    I think the key is fit.  JJ probably has the most overall talent, but not the best fit as our starting center.  An upgrade in fit, if not overall talent will make us a better team.  We can afford to lose a little offense from our starting center if we get better defense.  I think someone like Pachulia would work well.  He would probably be cheaper than someone like Pek.


    If we can keep JJ as 6th man, that would just be amazing.

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/06/2013 1:35 AM

    I think Pekovic and Hickson are the only realistic ones out the some you listed.

    I mean I think bringing in Dalembert, Pachulia, Mozgov, Koufos maybe, Udoh would be a very good idea.

    Find a big man to play 20-25 mins a game.....then have Hickson play 25-30 mins 


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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 01/06/2013 5:00 AM

    mozgov would be a good pick up or even pachulia

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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/06/2013 6:36 AM

    I agree that we need a c, big man with experience, that is strong on defense and could also score some points, to play around 20min a game. And there is one, Sanders, that would be amazing if we get him! but it isnt very realistic...

    i think there are some good options, but i think we dont really need  a TOP center....

    Some of them and this season averages

    Blatche - 7 years pro, 6´11 (20.6mpg, 11ppg, 6rpg and 0.8blk pg)

    Hawes - 5 years pro, 7´1 (22.6mpg, 9.5ppg, 6rpg and 1.2 blk pg )

    Pachulia - 9 years pro, 6´11 (22.7mpg, 6.2ppg, 6.9rpb and 0.3 blkpg )

    O´Neal - 16years pro, 6´11 (16mpg, 6.8ppg, 4.4rpg and 1.4blk pg)

    Dalembert - 10 years pro, 6´11 (17mpg, 6.1ppg, 4.9rpg and 1.3blk pg)

    Haywood - 11 years pro, 7´0 (21.7mpg, 4.6ppg, 5.5rpg and 0.7blk pg )

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/06/2013 11:14 AM

    The issue with that list is none of those players would represent an upgrade over JJ. I am okay taking on someone like Pachulia if we are using the money somewhere else.


    @Siccolo Udoh has already had his option picked up for next season 

    @nuno The same happened for Sanders and Hawes signed a two year deal this summer. 


    That pretty much leaves Blatche, Pachulia and someone I forgot Al Jefferson. Jefferson is an upgrade over JJ but he will command a significant salary, which is probably going to be more than the value he would bring to the team. Blatche is not someone I would consider a great defensive center. Based on these options I would keep JJ.


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  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/06/2013 11:45 AM

    I think one issue about signing a center is speed. Do we want a slow, half court team or a fast break team? Al Jefferson for example is really slow and really expensive. We may want a stop gap, matchup role playing center to mentor Leonard for another season. I don't see us paying any big guy 15+mil a season and that's what Jefferson makes. That money could be spread out to shore up the bench. I wouldn't be opposed to bring the Rhino back from Israel next season for defense and rebounds. If Freeland develops into a post presence, we might be ok until Leonard has developed his game.
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/06/2013 11:50 AM

    I actually see no problem with keepin JJ.. Letting Meyers develop and come in and defend in the paint when needed. It's worked so far, even when Mayers isn't playing and getting 15 minutes a game.

    With our cap room next year, it would make sense to keep JJ with his bird rights and give him a decent long term contract. I don't think he wants to leave, the guys have great chemistry and a bond together. why break that?

    We're 7th in the West right now. 13th overall. I think JJ has helped get us there, not hindered.

    And right now the problem is bench production. Somebody else wrote in another post how 1/3 of our team is rookies. 5 players (Claver, Barton, Freeland, Meyers, Dame).. Get me a 6th man, keep Pavlovic, and keep JJ and LA doin their thing together. Prove to me that this wouldn't work, because most people wouldn't of even guessed we'd be this good already. Don't break it

            Yes, in other posts I have said to maybe trade JJ, BUT now seeing how "together" this team is, and how they all love playing together, I don't think any of them even think about leaving something this good.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/06/2013 12:01 PM

    I am always up for trades I just do not see any realistic upgrades available which is why I am suggesting keeping JJ.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/06/2013 12:02 PM

    He might not admit it but LaMarcus is playing more 5 the last few wins. Scoring is down but blocks and rebounds are up. I think between JJ and LA we can exploit some mismatches. DHoward is not going to beat us by himself if the rest of the team is well defended. Pekovic had 21pts and 15 boards and we were blowing out Minnesota in the first half before he left the game. Marc Gasol didn't beat us in Memphis..I like our chances.
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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/06/2013 12:06 PM

    i agree, thats it knorton, the team is playing good all together, the problem is that  only 1 or 2 players showed something of the bench, babbit and barton. the other rookies, claver, freeland and leonard, need time do adapt do the team and develop... when the team needs Pavlovic and Jeffries give some experience also.

    But the main issue, is that the team misses a lot a scoring guard of the bench, 6th man, for example jordan crawford from washington is doing very good games of the bench, Price isnt just good enough. And maybe a big man, until leonard(is very young) and freeland(comes from england) arent really adapted to the league.

     

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/06/2013 12:26 PM

    Very good points Riverman and everyone else. 

    I wouldnt have a problem keeping JJ Hickson at all.  We are doing great with him right now. If we did trade Jj NO ONE we would bring in would be able to rebound like him. Let JJ and Lamarcus be our frontcourt.

    I would have a problem if we didnt bring in another BIGman to help out JJ, LA, and Myers.

    If we get that Bigman, and a backup PG and maybe a backup SG/SF we would be a 50 win team .

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/06/2013 12:33 PM

    If we could force LA to play the 5 this would not even be a topic for discussion he needs to be less selfish.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/06/2013 2:08 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 01/06/2013 12:33 PM

    If we could force LA to play the 5 this would not even be a topic for discussion he needs to be less selfish.


    I'm certain LA will appear less selfish, when your opinion becomes more informed.

     

    2011-2012

    Player Floor Time Stats by Position

    Position
    Min
    Net Pts
    Off
    Def
    Net48
    W
    L
    Win%
    PG
    SG
    SF
    PF
    53%
    +128
    96.0 91.4 4.6
    29
    24
    54%
    C
    25%
    +19
    101.0 99.5 1.5
    23
    20
    53%

    Player 48-Minute Production by Position

    Position
    FGA
    eFG%
    FTA
    iFG
    Reb
    Ast
    T/O
    Blk
    PF
    Pts
    PER*
    PG
    SG
    SF
    PF
    24.0 .516 6.5 33% 10.2 3.6 2.7 .8 3.1 30.1 23.5
    C
    20.1 .506 6.8 29% 11.5 2.5 2.7 1.7 5.0 25.8 20.7

    Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production

     

    Position
    FGA
    eFG%
    FTA
    iFG
    Reb
    Ast
    T/O
    Blk
    PF
    Pts
    PER*
    PG
    SG
    SF
    PF
    14.5 .511 3.7 31% 12.0 3.0 2.8 1.4 4.7 17.7 15.4
    C
    13.1 .543 5.9 58% 13.2 2.7 2.6 1.6 5.9 18.2 17.6

    Net 48-Minute Production by Position

     

    Position
    FGA
    eFG%
    FTA
    iFG
    Reb
    Ast
    T/O
    Blk
    PF
    Pts
    PER*
    PG
    SG
    SF
    PF
    9.5 .005 2.9 2% -1.7 .6 .1 -.6 1.7 12.3 8.1
    C
    7.1 -.037 .8 -29% -1.7 -.1 -.1 .1 1.0 7.6 3.1

     

     

     

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/06/2013 2:19 PM

    The argument for having LA play center, is one the would have our best play in a possission where he is less effective, so that the 5th option, if not the weakest link, of the 5 starters can play PF.  LA excells at center with a SMALL line up on the floor because he can run, when his match-up is most often not a legit, starting center.

     

    I am not saying JJ is bad, or that I do not like him.  I am saying that I want to improve the team, and JJ is the one starting player most lacking of the five.

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/06/2013 2:22 PM

    *The argument for having LA play center, is one that would have our best player in a possission where he is less effective, so that 5th option, if not the weakest link of the 5 starters, can play PF.  (typos - oops)
  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/06/2013 2:40 PM

    To me LaMarcus has never been a selfish player. I think he's adapted to the need when we win against top tier teams. He is a much better defender than JJ. Reminds me of Duncan in that he's labeled a PF but slides to the 5 whenever needed in games. My hope is that Freeland develops into a Nick Collison type bench big. Stotts compared them early and if Freeland shakes the rookie, deer in the headlights, nerves he may provide some relief until Leonard learns to play the 5 properly. We will need a big body at the 5 for certain matchups but until then, unselfish play is winning us some games. There's improvement so far 32 games into the season, 52 to go regular season. I'm surprised we're 18-15 right now.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/06/2013 2:41 PM

    Correction, 50 to go

     

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/06/2013 4:17 PM

    LA has only played 7% of the teams possessions at center this season. Maybe calling him selfish is a bit premature but he is certainly not the leader of this team. 

    As far as him playing in a spot where he is less effective that is a faulty argument especially considering how drastically his rebounding improves. 

    Player 48-Minute Production by Position

    Position
    FGA
    eFG%
    FTA
    iFG
    Reb
    Ast
    T/O
    Blk
    PF
    Pts
    PER*
    PG
    SG
    SF
    PF
    22.7   .458   6.3   22%  10.2   3.2   2.6   1.6   3.8   25.8   18.4  
    C
    21.7   .547   4.9   33%  15.2   2.5   2.9   2.0   2.9   28.3   27.2  


    I think getting the extra rebounds out of LA and forcing him to play more in the post would greatly benefit this team. Especially considering how much better suited JJ is playing the PF spot versus the center position.

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/06/2013 4:27 PM

    @Riverman 49 technically lololol jk


    Nothing wrong with Lamarcus and Hickson as our front court except for Defense.

    Guys like Dwight Howard, Bynum, Cousins, and other Elite centers are going to tear us up. 

    Which is why we should try to sign a nice defensive guy to match up against these centers for a good 20-25 minutes a game.

    I dont feel comfortable with Leonard and Freeland as our backup 4/5....I wish we could upgrade from them. I mean we dont have to trade them (well not Leonard) but we could find at least one more bigman and play with them.



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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/06/2013 4:49 PM

    Man you know who we could have used Andre Drummond. Dude is already a gifted defender and his rebounding has been very good. His motor looks fine maybe he was just bored at the college level. Either that or 20 minutes is the optimal playing time for him. He still can't make a free throw to save his life but with 7 points 7 rebounds 1.5 blocks and nearly a steal per game at 20 minutes he is putting up great numbers. His PER is also higher than anyone on our team. 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/06/2013 4:57 PM

    Dude if we had Andre Drummond..............................................damnn lol

    No way Detroit gives him up

    Wonder if we could have moved the 11th pick to try to move up and grab him but cant dwell on the past now

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/06/2013 7:17 PM

    I really think we could have moved up in the draft last summer Drummond was falling pretty hard and moving from 11 to 9 probably would have not been that difficult. I imagine had we offered any one of our bench players such as Nolan, Claver or Freeland it would have been enough to secure that pick. We also had a second round pick we sold for cash which could have been used and we have an extra one this year and another one next year. Multiple second round picks plus the number 11 should have been enough. If not the team could have thrown in up to 3 million in cash. 


    I am shocked at our record right now but imagine how bright our future our future would be with Drummond in tow. Leonard has some potential so lets hope this oversight is not nearly as glaring in a couple of seasons.

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/06/2013 8:06 PM

    Yeah I thought that too..... Im sure the 11th Pick, Cash, Second Rounder/ Nolan could have acquired the 9th Pick


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  1. sedare
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    Posted 01/07/2013 7:00 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 01/06/2013 4:17 PM

    LA has only played 7% of the teams possessions at center this season. Maybe calling him selfish is a bit premature but he is certainly not the leader of this team. 

    As far as him playing in a spot where he is less effective that is a faulty argument especially considering how drastically his rebounding improves. 

    Player 48-Minute Production by Position

    Position
    FGA
    eFG%
    FTA
    iFG
    Reb
    Ast
    T/O
    Blk
    PF
    Pts
    PER*
    PG
    SG
    SF
    PF
    22.7   .458   6.3   22%  10.2   3.2   2.6   1.6   3.8   25.8   18.4  
    C
    21.7   .547   4.9   33%  15.2   2.5   2.9   2.0   2.9   28.3   27.2  


    I think getting the extra rebounds out of LA and forcing him to play more in the post would greatly benefit this team. Especially considering how much better suited JJ is playing the PF spot versus the center position.


    I am thinking these numbers are inflated a bit since when we see LA at Center, JJ and Meyers are on the bench. If they are in the game, LA goes to PF... not the other way around. So the Blazers run VERY SMALL vs teams that do the same when these numbers are seen. Also, since JJ and Meyers are benched, we see a large increase to his numbers for that reason... not because LA is more suited for center.  


    This is just my observation after watching games this year.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/07/2013 11:50 AM

    Imo...JJ is S/T bound, thusly...not too many Cs out there that I would consider "unreasonable", not with the season Hickson is posting.  Draft picks, expendable expirings, even cap room added to the mix?  Outside of Howard (whom I wouldn't touch anyway), what IS unreasonable?

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/07/2013 11:59 AM

    Posted By sedare on 01/07/2013 7:00 AM

    I am thinking these numbers are inflated a bit since when we see LA at Center, JJ and Meyers are on the bench. If they are in the game, LA goes to PF... not the other way around. So the Blazers run VERY SMALL vs teams that do the same when these numbers are seen. Also, since JJ and Meyers are benched, we see a large increase to his numbers for that reason... not because LA is more suited for center.  

    This is just my observation after watching games this year.

    I could not agree more.  John Hollinger talked about it 2 years ago, and since, compiled LA stats, arguing LA was way better at Center.  But he was so into his stats, he left out the obvious reality you see clearly from watching the game, LA playing center versus small line ups when he is 1 of maybe 2 starters in the game.  It's not often if there are only 2 starters in the game, that it would be LA and whoever is center.  He'll be in there with a starting guard feeding the beast.  There's simply more opportunity for touches and fewer challanges vs an opponents bench. 

     

    Look what LA did vs M.Gasol.  Production down.  Teams inevitably put their taller center on LA regardless of whether he plays Center or PF. But when stats "designate" him as playing center, who's in the game?  A small line up, if not the other team's bench.  So how ever anyone cuts the stats, to say LA is better or worse at center doesn't matter.  You start with the premise that LA is the best player on the team, can get his shot at will, can post up, can block shots, can slap balls away and defend, can rebound (one of 4 NBA players right now avg over 20 pts and 8 reb)-  AND you put him where he wants to get the ball - high to mid post - when he calls for the ball.  Whatever possission that is, that's where LA plays.  Call him a SG for all I care.

     

    There could be an argument that LA gets more blocks and is more effective coming from the weak side help, because he's so quick and long.  But is that an agrument for him to play center, or and argument to get a legit center?  I'll take the latter. 

     

    But the thought that LA is selfish, let alone should change possitions for JJ... can anyone honestly say that JJ should be getting all of LA's touches, and that LA should just get his when it comes to him?  I mean, honestly.  How rediculous does that sound? - Like a guy with tourettes.  You feel bad, but you'd which he'd stop cursing outloud. 

     

    JJ simply isn't big enough to guard legit big men, nor is his defense where the Blazers would like it to be, nor will he ever be the elite scoring big that LA is. 

     

    But I like JJ, and I think his performance as a Blazer could warrant forgoing the idea of a max contract center, and settling for some depth by bringing in a $6-8 mil big who can play 20-25 min a game, defend, rebound, and allow room for JJ to stay a Blazer.

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/07/2013 12:10 PM

    Posted By BDawg on 01/07/2013 11:50 AM

    Imo...JJ is S/T bound, thusly...not too many Cs out there that I would consider "unreasonable", not with the season Hickson is posting.  Draft picks, expendable expirings, even cap room added to the mix?  Outside of Howard (whom I wouldn't touch anyway), what IS unreasonable?


    It's almost easier to eliminate the centers you DO NOT want to be a Blazers next year.

    Howard is at the top of centers I don't want.  Too expensive (would gut the team).  Broke. Bad attitude.  Selish.  Not a leader.

     

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/07/2013 12:44 PM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 01/07/2013 11:59 AM

     

    But I like JJ, and I think his performance as a Blazer could warrant forgoing the idea of a max contract center, and settling for some depth by bringing in a $6-8 mil big who can play 20-25 min a game, defend, rebound, and allow room for JJ to stay a Blazer.


    The question I have to this is who out their is worthy of a max contract at center? You made it clear you do not want Howard, Bynum I imagine would fall into a similar area for you. We missed out on Hibbert, Marc Gasol is not going anywhere, nor is Joakim Noah. That leaves Al Jefferson who while skilled is not any help on the defensive side of the ball. 


    I honestly think at this point adding a complimentary big is the only option but there are so few quality options out there via free agency I am not sure we will be able to find a stop gap until Leonard's game can mature. 

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/07/2013 1:33 PM

    (at or near max)  Pekovic.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/07/2013 2:02 PM

    Pekovic is a 10 million a year player probably the question is though will Minnesota simply let him go. I know Kahn does some stupid things but I hate little belief that not matching an offer sheet for Pekovic would be one of them. 


    However, that could change if Portland or some other team put out a near max offer. I like Pekovic but anything close to the 14-15 million dollar max is too much. If the cap is 60 million as projected by Larry Coon then Pekovic could sign a 4 year 70 million dollar deal. That is just way too much money to be throwing around for someone like him. 


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  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/07/2013 2:14 PM

    Pekovic is also restricted I believe which like last year would tie up our money while we raised his price with Minny just resigning him. Sort of like Hibbert last summer. I hate to see us go after restricted agents while all the affordable talent gets gobbled up before the deadline.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/07/2013 3:14 PM

    Pekovic is the best option right now but he is restricted and likely to be expensive. 

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/07/2013 3:48 PM

    As Fanatic is well aware, the fanbase in Minny is very concerned the Blazers are going to return the 'Batum' favor with regard to Pekovic...which IS a possibility.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/07/2013 4:27 PM

    Posted By BDawg on 01/07/2013 3:48 PM

    As Fanatic is well aware, the fanbase in Minny is very concerned the Blazers are going to return the 'Batum' favor with regard to Pekovic...which IS a possibility.



    Nailed it.  And I do not see the Blazers waiting more than a week to sign Pek to an offer sheet.  If they do, it will be at midnight the early morning of the day the free agency moritorium ends. I guess the slightly irritating thing in this discussion, is that some assume that because I feel it will be difficult if not impossible to resign JJ at to a price that won't kill the Blazers ability to really "move the needle," that I do not value him.  It's not one extreme or the other.  JJ is a great value.  The price he commands in the off season can change how much value he is to Portland drastically.  $10 mil... hurts Portland.   $4 mil... readiculously good value.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/07/2013 6:29 PM

    Is it worth making Pek a big offer if Minny matches though and lose out on unrestricted free agents that will be gone by the time the deadline rolls around for matching?


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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/08/2013 12:02 AM

    Posted By Nuno on 01/06/2013 6:36 AM

    I agree that we need a c, big man with experience, that is strong on defense and could also score some points, to play around 20min a game. And there is one, Sanders, that would be amazing if we get him! but it isnt very realistic...

    i think there are some good options, but i think we dont really need  a TOP center....

    Some of them and this season averages

    Blatche - 7 years pro, 6´11 (20.6mpg, 11ppg, 6rpg and 0.8blk pg)

    Hawes - 5 years pro, 7´1 (22.6mpg, 9.5ppg, 6rpg and 1.2 blk pg )

    Pachulia - 9 years pro, 6´11 (22.7mpg, 6.2ppg, 6.9rpb and 0.3 blkpg )

    O´Neal - 16years pro, 6´11 (16mpg, 6.8ppg, 4.4rpg and 1.4blk pg)

    Dalembert - 10 years pro, 6´11 (17mpg, 6.1ppg, 4.9rpg and 1.3blk pg)

    Haywood - 11 years pro, 7´0 (21.7mpg, 4.6ppg, 5.5rpg and 0.7blk pg )

    The Blazers need size and defense in the post, and preferably someone that has decent hands that can catch entry passes for dunks and pass out of the post.

     

    Blatche is not a center, and I would take JJ fumbing the ball out of bounds and missing layups all day over Blatche any game.

    Hawes is locked up for $6.6 mil next season, but that's a decent price for a solid big.

    Pachulia could be a $6 mil stop gap, but I don't love this option.

    O'Neal's price is $6 mil,  but he's so old.

    Dalembert is a RFA, but would see more play time here in Portland.  His defense and size is really what the Blazers lack most.  I would be ok with he and JJ.

    Haywood is locked up for years to come at 10 mil.  I would not favor a S&T JJ and accoutrements for Haywood.

     

    Of course, I'd like to stick it to Minnesota and go after Pekovic.

     

    I really like the idea of picking off Redick from Orlando.  They are gonna have a fair amount of available cap space though, so it'll cost us.  But I don't see a scenario where Hedo doesn't pick up his $12 mil player option, so there's a chance.

     

    Dalembert/Reddick/JJ   Pick up Babbit/Williams and maybe Price.  Gonna be a tight squeeze, but I think Portland is sitting in a top 4 playoff seed if we has those 2 this year.

     

  1. Nuno
    Nuno
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    Posted 01/08/2013 6:46 AM

    I agree with most of the thing you said...

    Essencially, that if we get at least a guard to score of the bench and a big center to defend. we would be a top team.

    Doesn really matter who they are, they just need to do what the team needs from them.  i think they would be an awesome upgrade to the team, since price and smith arent delivering of the bench, and freeland and leonard need time do develop.

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/08/2013 7:48 AM

    I agree with Fanatic COMPLETELY 

    Dalembert/JJ/Redick

    or players similar to them

    we would be a top 4 team....im not as high as Redick as other though...would like a guy with more handling ability 

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  1. Nuno
    Nuno
    Posts: 212

    Posted 01/08/2013 9:16 AM

    thats it the names arent important.

    what matters is their effect on team, redick for example is a very good "shooter" and dalembert a good defender. and thats it the team misses sometimes...

  1. stevestu
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    Posted 01/08/2013 5:46 PM

    Until Myers gets up to speed what Siccolo says about the elite centers is correct. The question is how much difference will an acquisition make and what does that do to the roster in the meantime. Getting someone who can defend against the elite centers won't be cheap and I'd rather not lose the potential of a Leonard or a Babbitt who are both continuing to develop.  I wouldn't let go of JJ to get someone and the other starters should be off limits.

    I think we should be focusing instead on acquiring a better back up point guard. It won't be as expensive in terms of trade material and Leonard, Freeland and a bit of Aldriges time can see us through until Myers is ready to step up. Don't think about his season or the next. We may not go deep into the playoffs but with Sean Elliot healthy and Myers and Babbitt maturing we have the potential with them and our current starting five to be an excellent team with a long term future. 

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  1. knorton181
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    Posts: 264

    Posted 01/08/2013 10:54 PM

    I think you meant Elliot Willams?

    But a great post stevestu, good to hav4e ya on the boards! Couldn't agree any more
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/08/2013 11:05 PM

    Yeah I really liked stevestu post too

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  1. stevestu
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    Posted 01/09/2013 6:11 PM

    You are right. I'm showing my age. I lived in Tucson when Sean Elliot played for Arizona. Heavy sigh. I'm a big Elliot Williams fan too and I"m really hoping he gets healthy.
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  1. BLASER
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    Posts: 757

    Posted 01/09/2013 10:39 PM

    honestly I'm not a big fan of elliot williams I think it's time to part ways with him he missed his first season due to an injury then missed a large portion of his second season due to an injury and now has missed his 3rd season to due an injury yea all that hype he gets is well deserved (that was sarcasm by the way) he's unreliable and this is like a job when you have someone that is unreliable would you keep them on your crew or fill his shoes with a guy that is reliable and can do the same job? 

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  1. BDawg
    BDawg
    Posts: 1593

    Posted 01/10/2013 6:46 AM

    Larry Sandersis beginning to make me question pursuing Pekovic with Paul Allen's checkbook.  He may be that ever elusive unicorn common referenced in another thread.  Sanders was a kid I had on my draft board.  Extremely athletic coming out of college, Sanders was raw and widely thought to be a bit of a project.  His draft stock slipped accordingly.  It appears he's beginning to find his NBA legs, leading the league in blocks and posting averages just shy of double doubles.  Fanatic, meese...what would it take to pull a deal with MIL?

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  1. CarlJ1
    CarlJ1
    Posts: 399

    Posted 01/10/2013 8:51 AM

    The only way I see us getting Sanders is that Hickson apart of the deal because he'll fill a void that the Bucks are lacking and that's inside scoring but, sanders will fill a void were lacking and that inside defense and shot blocking I don't know the numbers like BDawg mention I leave that up to meese and Fanatic.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posts: 2735

    Posted 01/10/2013 10:08 AM

    The Bucks have too many PF's at the moment but I am not sure JJ would need to be a part of any deal. Unfortunately, the Blazers have very little trade options. We still owe a pick so it is tough to include one. I just do not see a good deal for us that would land Sanders.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Nuno
    Nuno
    Posts: 212

    Posted 01/10/2013 11:15 AM

    Would be awesome if we could get Sanders, but it isnt realistic. He is one of MIL best players, and they surely want to keep him.
  1. commontongue
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    Posts: 1864

    Posted 01/11/2013 12:41 PM

    Is Detroit going to be able to keep both Monroe and Drummond ? Like meese said,the Bucks have nothing but forwards,and undersized guards. It would take an act of congress to get Sanders away from the Bucks the way he's been ballin.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
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