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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 07/30/2012 10:28 AM

    Boy on an international stage when he had a chance to justify his agents arrogance what did he do?

    Nicolas Batum: 7 points, 2 rebounds, 1 block, 2 turnovers, 2-for-6 shooting in 18 minutes

    He had to defend Kobe, so what!  He had to play offense against Lebron & Kevin Durant again So what?

    I hope this is not what we can expect out of his high contract.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/30/2012 10:55 AM

    In 36 minutes 14 points 4 rebounds is pretty much exactly what we can expect out of him
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 07/30/2012 11:56 AM

    C'mon, I'm not saying that I was happy with his performance, but he was matched up with Kobe, Lebron, KD, Harden and Deron Williams. Having to defend those guys(because remember that is what is asked of Nic every game) and then having the latter three in your face all game. That's tough. and he still hit his averages like you said. 
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 07/30/2012 12:25 PM

    Posted By FoulWeatherFan on 07/30/2012 11:56 AM
    C'mon, I'm not saying that I was happy with his performance, but he was matched up with Kobe, Lebron, KD, Harden and Deron Williams. Having to defend those guys(because remember that is what is asked of Nic every game) and then having the latter three in your face all game. That's tough. and he still hit his averages like you said. 


    I'm not going to praise or criticise Nick on just 1 game, but if you are getting paid like top NBA talent then you are expected to perform against top NBA talent.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 07/31/2012 7:02 AM

    Posted By benh7777 on 07/30/2012 12:25 PM
    Posted By FoulWeatherFan on 07/30/2012 11:56 AM
    C'mon, I'm not saying that I was happy with his performance, but he was matched up with Kobe, Lebron, KD, Harden and Deron Williams. Having to defend those guys(because remember that is what is asked of Nic every game) and then having the latter three in your face all game. That's tough. and he still hit his averages like you said. 


    I'm not going to praise or criticise Nick on just 1 game, but if you are getting paid like top NBA talent then you are expected to perform against top NBA talent.


    Absolutely, and then he complains his back was sore after game one becuase of all the standing at the opening ceremony and travel.  Batum is getting paid the big bucks becuase his agent thinks he is an All Star caliber player.  Meaning if you are defending and playing against all star talent he had better grow a pair and not make excuses.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/31/2012 9:28 AM

    Sometimes that is what you get with foreign players, softness, give me a baller from Rucker Park they are warriors at least.
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 07/31/2012 12:00 PM

    Batum will definitely be under the microscope by Portland fans and media this year. We'll just have to see if he shuts everyone up or gives them more to talk about.
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  1. Reformed
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    Posted 07/31/2012 4:49 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 07/30/2012 10:28 AM
    Boy on an international stage when he had a chance to justify his agents arrogance what did he do?

    Nicolas Batum: 7 points, 2 rebounds, 1 block, 2 turnovers, 2-for-6 shooting in 18 minutes

    He had to defend Kobe, so what!  He had to play offense against Lebron & Kevin Durant again So what?

    I hope this is not what we can expect out of his high contract.

    Its only one game mah.  Chill out an let the kid do his stuff for a minute thats all I'm sayin. 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/31/2012 5:45 PM

    Who was Batum guarding tonight? If it was Manu he got torched. It was nice to see him rebounding though.
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  1. billyamick47
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    Posted 07/31/2012 6:37 PM

    He at least scored 14 tonight.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 07/31/2012 7:43 PM

    Against Tunesia.   That is like Miami going against Cleveland after LeBron left.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/31/2012 7:46 PM

    Played Argentina tonight
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 07/31/2012 9:45 PM

    Batum actually had a big 1st quarter but like many past Blazer games all but disappeared after that. He did get into foul trouble.
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/01/2012 9:44 AM

    Argentina actually. They won gold a few Olympics back. Would you consider them a quality team? You also have to remember that Batum does what he's told. That's why we have never seen him really play. If you saw him tear up the European Championships a year back you would be singing a different tune. There was no Parker on that team so he was played as a point-forward, and he kicked ass. On a side note I can't imagine the stress put on players bodies during a game, a tweaked back would probably throw off your entire game. Not everyone is Kobe. They can't all play with busted hands.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/01/2012 11:51 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/31/2012 9:28 AM

    Sometimes that is what you get with foreign players, softness, give me a baller from Rucker Park they are warriors at least.


    Born and raised in NYC, and played at the Ruck. You're definitely right meese. No softys allowed on the blacktop.

    However, when you're called upon to guard some of the best in the game,after walking 3 miles to the ceremony,thats tough for anyone. But this is Blazer Nation, and we dont make excuses. Man up Nic.

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  1. jwood
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    Posted 08/01/2012 12:58 PM

    i defended batum against all the criticism after the signing but after watching the two olympic games France has played i'm pretty pissed off.  i know france isn't paying the big money but i'd think batum would realize all eyes are on him and his game and he needs to pick it up about 3 notches.  for batum to earn that contract he must add more to his game, a lot more.  all i've seen in the olympics is the same old batum at best and he actually looks worse in my opinion during these games than he did last season.  all he has shown that he can do is catch and shoot 3 pointers, camp in the corner, and make a pretty block or two in transition.  where's the moves? where's the mid range jumper? where's the improved handles? where's the post up games? and, especially WHERE IS THE MOTOR?  i just don't get it. if somebody paid me a zillion dollars to play basketball and everybody thought i was overpaid my first instict would be to prove everybody wrong.  i'm almost afraid he's going to check out now that he got paid. i didn't think he was that kind of person but i'm starting to wonder. what's wrong with this guy? is it really the opening ceremonies to blame? that's another thing, he blames his crappy play on the opening ceremonies. what is that all about?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/01/2012 1:02 PM

    I just hope he plays hard and keeps getting better if he does that I will accept him if not I will ask for him to be traded daily
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 08/01/2012 2:00 PM

    Posted By jwood on 08/01/2012 12:58 PM
    all i've seen in the olympics is the same old batum at best and he actually looks worse in my opinion during these games than he did last season.  all he has shown that he can do is catch and shoot 3 pointers, camp in the corner, and make a pretty block or two in transition.  where's the moves? where's the mid range jumper? where's the improved handles? where's the post up games? and, especially WHERE IS THE MOTOR?  i just don't get it.
    Where was all this before he got his contract?
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/01/2012 3:03 PM

    Posted By jwood on 08/01/2012 12:58 PM
    i defended batum against all the criticism after the signing but after watching the two olympic games France has played i'm pretty pissed off.  i know france isn't paying the big money but i'd think batum would realize all eyes are on him and his game and he needs to pick it up about 3 notches.  for batum to earn that contract he must add more to his game, a lot more.  all i've seen in the olympics is the same old batum at best and he actually looks worse in my opinion during these games than he did last season.  all he has shown that he can do is catch and shoot 3 pointers, camp in the corner, and make a pretty block or two in transition.  where's the moves? where's the mid range jumper? where's the improved handles? where's the post up games? and, especially WHERE IS THE MOTOR?  i just don't get it. if somebody paid me a zillion dollars to play basketball and everybody thought i was overpaid my first instict would be to prove everybody wrong.  i'm almost afraid he's going to check out now that he got paid. i didn't think he was that kind of person but i'm starting to wonder. what's wrong with this guy? is it really the opening ceremonies to blame? that's another thing, he blames his crappy play on the opening ceremonies. what is that all about?

    I have been critical of Batum all season and off season.  There is no way in hell that he was worth that type of money.  Paul Allen and Olshey got played by Batum’s agent and Minnesota.  Sounds like Minnesota got even with us (for us dumping an injured player on them a couple of years ago even though nothing was proven) and jacking up the value of a $7.5m player.

    All Batum knows how to do is make excuses for his poor play and shoot three pointers.  Blaming his poor on the travel and opening ceremonies is a joke.  This makes me think of our current President who blames everyone on his poor performance and his ineptness.

    Give me a team of players like JJ at $4m and Wesley Mathews at $6.1 who play with heart and are not afraid to play with physical aggressiveness over a timid over paid SF like Batum any day of the week.  I say put Batum on the bench and start Babbitt.  Maybe that will get him to pull his head out of his behind and play aggressive.  If it comes down to three pointers I would rather watch Luke than Batum.


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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/01/2012 3:21 PM

    That was a little much I do not want to see Babbitt near the court unless we are up or down 15
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/01/2012 3:57 PM

    Your kidding!  He plays with more heart and agressiveness than Batum will ever play.  It is time to wake Batum up so he thinks he may be riding the bench.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/01/2012 5:19 PM

    Or where he demands a trade and Portland gets virtually nothing for him, motivate him without insulting him.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/01/2012 10:02 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/01/2012 5:19 PM

    Or where he demands a trade and Portland gets virtually nothing for him, motivate him without insulting him.
    Well said.  However, I just don't believe it in Nic's DNA to ever have a motor.  As I've said, many times and in many threads, it is truely a shame that all of that youth, length and athleticism go to waste with the obvious absence of a motor.  Nic has teased us repeatedly, by running down a player from behind for a spectacular block or taking it hard to the rack off the bounce for a posterizing dunk on a big slow to rotate.  Teased because there has never been, nor ever will be, any consistency with Nic and his effort throughout the course of any given game, let alone an entire season.  Motor can't be taught or coached up.  Like hair in your 40s, you either got it or you don't.



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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 08/01/2012 11:14 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/01/2012 3:21 PM

    That was a little much I do not want to see Babbitt near the court unless we are up or down 15
    Which is where Babbit is the most effictive. Obviously when all your players who can play alot of defense and cant get the ball in the hole (object of the game in case you did not know) than you want someone who can shoot on a consistant basis to be able to knock down the 3 ball and get you back in. I mean we could have a whole team of Dennis Rodmans it would be a low scoring games but we would lose most of them which is why our team sucked for the last 2 years and we could not get out of the 1st round in the years before and why Nate was fired. Babbitt is a better shooter than Batum, Babbit is a better rebounder than Batum and only because Babbit is not afraid to break a nail to go get it where as I think Batum is. If Babbit gets more playing time he will become a better defender/player and that was proven last year. But he is a pure spot up shooter and has proven that he can hit the clutch shot. So it is doubtful that he will ever be more than a situational player he could turn out to be one of the best in the league which is a commodity that only championship teams seem to have the luxury to afford. Just ask Robert Hoary. So now I know you are exsaperated with Luke because he is not a lock down defender or much of a defender yet (and I will say yet because I have hopes for the young man) that you can maybe see his worth? Or are you as obtuse as Nate was and willing to let him rot on your bench because he does not play basketball like you think he should instead of using him for his strengths?

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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 08/01/2012 11:40 PM

    Babbitt will never be more than that come off the bench guy with a deadly 3 point shot to give your team a shot in the arm when others are struggling. Valuable to a team? Yes. Good role player, nothing more.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/02/2012 9:09 AM

    Posted By benh7777 on 08/01/2012 11:40 PM
    Babbitt will never be more than that come off the bench guy with a deadly 3 point shot to give your team a shot in the arm when others are struggling. Valuable to a team? Yes. Good role player, nothing more.

    I am glad you can predict the future so well.  Babbitt's potential as little as he has been used will grow expotentially he he is given the chance to play more.  HE is further along than Batum was when Batum was when Batum had two years in the league.  Keep in mind Babbit spent most of his time in the D League because of Nate.  It was until Caelb used him we saw some true talent.  Count on it, if Babbitt is getting 15 to 20 minutes a game, he will out play and out hustle Batum every step of the way.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/02/2012 9:21 AM

    You make Babbitt sound like the next coming of Larry Bird or Chris Mullin if he and we are lucky he can be the next Korver or Horry. 

    On another issue Batum finally dominated a game posting one of his random games that has everyone raving about his potential and earned him over 11 million a season. 

    8-11 21pts 6reb 3blk 2stl the key he only had 2 3pta
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 08/02/2012 10:57 AM

    babbitt is terrible. did you not see him in summer league.  he didn't even look like an NBA player if you take away his 3 point ability.  as much as i'm disappointed in batum he is clearly a superior player to babbitt. i don't even know why this is a conversation.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/02/2012 11:51 AM

    Wish it was a legit debate but it is not
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 08/02/2012 12:59 PM

    babbit sucks
  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 08/02/2012 2:02 PM

    Posted By jwood on 08/02/2012 10:57 AM
    babbitt is terrible. did you not see him in summer league.  he didn't even look like an NBA player if you take away his 3 point ability.  as much as i'm disappointed in batum he is clearly a superior player to babbitt. i don't even know why this is a conversation.

    What do you mean "if you take away his 3 point ability"? He did take it away. He couldn't shoot consistently to save his life. If we're talking about Babbitt's future, let's talk about the fact that he's a slightly stronger version of himself on draft night 2010. If he had the fire to become a starter, he might work hard enough to get there. He seems to be sitting on his game thinking the minutes will come by entitlement.

    Maybe Nic feels a bit too entitled to, but really?! A hate thread after one mediocre performance against Team USA? We're doing that now?

    His back was obviously bothering him. Look at the part that says 18 mins. He sat the entire 4th quarter because he knew his body was not going to be effective playing big minutes that night. Don't try to say he faked an injury to bail himself out of a bad performance, that's just low and disrespectful.

    If this is the attitude Portland has about Nic's contract, you'll never be happy. He'll go for 20, you'll want 30. He'll get a double-double, you'll say where's the triple-double.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Portland is just under the salary cap. If the team they spent that cap on gets wins, it's money well spent.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/02/2012 3:18 PM

    Hate thread for Batum for his 4 years of failed potential and one bad Olympic game. Not to mention the terrible job he allowed his agent to do bargaining for him and the ridiculous contract we are now saddled with.  

    However, I will cheer every time he drops 20 or gets a double double. They just better happen more frequently this year than they have been.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/02/2012 3:46 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/02/2012 9:21 AM
    You make Babbitt sound like the next coming of Larry Bird or Chris Mullin if he and we are lucky he can be the next Korver or Horry. 

    On another issue Batum finally dominated a game posting one of his random games that has everyone raving about his potential and earned him over 11 million a season. 

    8-11 21pts 6reb 3blk 2stl the key he only had 2 3pta


    Are you kidding me? So what he scored 20 points against Lithuania. Anyone can score twenty points against Lithuania.

    Batum has had four years in this league.  Yes Batum has talent, he can score (in the first half) shows some defensive stardom at times, but he is also one of the greatest disappearing acts in the second half.

    Babbitt most of his time either in the D League or on the bench when Nate refused to play him unless the Blazers were up by 25 and then he only got a minute or two in the game.  When Nate got fired Luke got some playing time and by the end of the season he was starting to show why the Blazers drafted him.

    You can coach a player to improve his talent, but you cannot coach a player to have heart, desire and toughness if it is not in them.  We need more players like Babbitt and JJ Hickson who are willing to do what it takes to support the team, and play all minutes that are given to them like it is the 7th game of the NBA finals.  Does Batum, I do not think so.

    Luke Babbitt remains me of a former no name Blazer until he got playing time.  Anyone remember Larry Steele?

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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 08/02/2012 6:29 PM

    Lets not go to the extreme with any of the players. Has Babbitt lit it up like his draft position would indicate? Of course not. Has he gotten a chance to light it up? No. I don't think he is a player that is capable of being something out of the ordinary, but he is capable of doing a lot more then most of you give him credit. How would you feel if your coach put you in for a grand total of two minutes every three games and told you to light it up? I would be stressed! Give him a chance. As for Batum, I think he will live up to his contract. Tell him to drive and be the Batum we saw glimpses of last year and we will be fine. I think you all forget the day after he would do really well and the boards were excited. It's still possible.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/02/2012 6:57 PM

    Lol "Anyone can score twenty points against Lithuania" 
    Babbit is a better player then some think. I used to think he was GARBAGE. But if you look at how he played in March when he consistently got minutes he played good. I wasn't impressed on how he played during Summer League but that was the first time he played 5on 5 in months. I hope to see 14-16 mins a night and he should produce 7-8 points 3-4 rebounds. That is great for a back up 3. He does need to work on his defense though. That should be his main priority coming into Training Camp.

    Batum played great vs Lithuania. I think if he can stay healthy and under our new coach if Terry Stotts he can can better. Stotts is a great offensive minded coach. He has been around many great 3s such as Shawn Marion, Josh Howard and Caron Butler. He can but Batum in a great position. I look for Batum to at least get 16 ppg. With a good PG in Lillard and a new coach thats going to be there the whole year hopefully he should be in a good position. 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/02/2012 7:29 PM

    Posted By Siccolo on 08/02/2012 6:57 PM

    Lol "Anyone can score twenty points against Lithuania" 

    Babbit is a better player then some think. I used to think he was GARBAGE. But if you look at how he played in March when he consistently got minutes he played good. I wasn't impressed on how he played during Summer League but that was the first time he played 5on 5 in months. I hope to see 14-16 mins a night and he should produce 7-8 points 3-4 rebounds. That is great for a back up 3. He does need to work on his defense though. That should be his main priority coming into Training Camp.



    Batum played great vs Lithuania. I think if he can stay healthy and under our new coach if Terry Stotts he can can better. Stotts is a great offensive minded coach. He has been around many great 3s such as Shawn Marion, Josh Howard and Caron Butler. He can but Batum in a great position. I look for Batum to at least get 16 ppg. With a good PG in Lillard and a new coach thats going to be there the whole year hopefully he should be in a good position. 



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    LOL.  He will score 12 to 14 in the first half and then disappear in the second half.  I really like Babbitt and I think by the time his rookie contract is expired when he becomes a RFA he will have lots of suitors.  I just hope whoever the new coach is that he gives Luike 15-20 minutes a game and shuts up all the Babbitt Bashers!



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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/02/2012 9:04 PM

    If Babbitt amounts to more than a shorter haired Adam Morrison, i'll be surprised. He's a good shooter yes, but he doesnt have heart. One thing is for certain, he will not be a Blazer when his contract expires. If Claver plays D, he wont be a Blazer in january.
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/03/2012 10:53 AM

    Thats the only thing Babbit does have, heart. He is a semi-athletic white guy(which pretty much translates to non-athletic) who isnt fast enough to play on the perimeter, and not nearly skilled enough to play in the post. He can't defend the 3, and he cant bang with the 4's. He was supposed to be a good tweener like Terrence Jones, but he ended up being the bad kind. I honestly dont even see Korver in him anymore. I see Linas Kleiza, and he's not even as good as him. No one is blaming him either. He's not a Lamar Odom, wasting one of the greatest talents in the game. I actually think he has maximized his potential, he's a bench warmer in the NBA.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 08/03/2012 3:35 PM

    a guy like babbitt, you either need athleticism or you need that "it" factor (ie. larry bird, kevin love, etc.). unfortunately babbitt has neither.  it's not the end of the world. he was a mid 1st round pick. odds are, you don't get much there typically.  he's a good guy. he plays really hard. no idea why somebody said he has no heart. that's not fair or true. just because he isn't a raging alpha male pounding his chest doesn't mean he doesn't play with heart. he's a decent borderline rotation player on the right fitting team. 
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/03/2012 8:39 PM

    I just don’t get it.  How can you judge Babbitt’s talent when he has played only in the D League for the majority of his first two years in the League and when he did get a chance with Nate it was for the last 90 seconds of the game.  He got good sitting on the bench never got real NBA experience.

     

    Last year when Nate finally got canned, Caleb went to him and every game he got better.  Just compare the career stats of the two players.

     

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    10.9

    45.1

     

    1.8

    4.6

    39.1

     

    2.3

    2.7

    83.6

     

    1.4

    3.2

    4.6

     

    1.4

    1.5

    1.0

    1.0

    1.8

    13.9

     

    Babbitt first two years

    Recent Career

     

    FG

     

    3PT

     

    FT

     

    Rebounds

     

    Misc

    Year

    Team

    G

    Min

    M

    A

    Pct

     

    M

    A

    Pct

     

    M

    A

    Pct

     

    Off

    Def

    Tot

     

    Ast

    TO

    Stl

    Blk

    PF

    PPG

     

    2010-11

    POR

    24

    05:42

    0.6

    2.3

    27.3

     

    0.1

    0.7

    18.8

     

    0.1

    0.4

    33.3

     

    0.3

    1.0

    1.3

     

    0.3

    0.3

    0.1

    0.1

    0.6

    1.5

     

    2011-12

    POR

    40

    13:24

    1.8

    4.3

    41.0

     

    1.1

    2.5

    43.0

     

    0.4

    0.5

    85.0

     

    0.4

    2.0

    2.4

     

    0.4

    0.7

    0.3

    0.1

    1.2

    5.1

     

    If you compare their stats assuming you are intelligent to realize that Babbitt’s first year in the league does not count as he was in the D League and his second year in the league he had about the same stats as Batum did is his first year but in 5 less minutes per game average, then to me being “just a basketball fan” that Babbitt is further along in skills then Batum was at the same point in his career.  Plus Babbitt has more heart and tenacity then Batum ever will.

     

    As I said earlier, if he is given 15 to 20 minutes a game he will be an invaluable commodity for the Blazers Future and potentially a starter.

     

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. BlazerManiac
    BlazerManiac
    Posts: 777

    Posted 08/04/2012 8:41 AM

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  1. log1011
    log1011
    Posts: 22

    Posted 08/04/2012 10:19 AM

    Stop hatin' on Batum, he's become a better player every year! I think he's still on the rise. It is a lot of money, but I think he can bring it!
    I am a fan of GOOD roster decisions
  1. BlazerManiac
    BlazerManiac
    Posts: 777

    Posted 08/04/2012 7:10 PM

    I am not Batum Hating, but Babbitt Supporting.  But Batum needs to be much more agressive then enitire game on both sides of the ball and quit disapperaing in the scond half.  Babbitt needs to get 15 to 20 munutes a game to stop the naysayers from telling these boards to dump him.
    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. jharvey2
    jharvey2
    Posts: 3

    Posted 08/05/2012 7:01 PM

    I honestly had to log in and post for the first time in ages just to express how ludicrous it is to compare Babbit to Batum... Please watch the Portland Houston summer league game, Babbit was coming off a nice double double the previous game then- Babbit goes 0-4 from 3 to start all while royce white and t.jiones proceed to DOMINATE him on the boards; so against decent first year rookies he looked like a child.

    Batum's value is in his defense and versatility on both ends- a swiss army knife. Babbit is strictly a utility player- a can opener. Babbit is what he is- an odd korver/horry/c.frye combonation while Batum is a piece that COMPLIMENTS our REAL focal point in Aldridge.  Babbit's one dimensional as all role/bench players tend to be. We can agree that athleticism is potential and well Babbit- is definitely a useful piece in building around a solid foundation, not unlike a brick.
    I am a fan of BATUUUUUUM
  1. commontongue
    commontongue
    Posts: 1864

    Posted 08/05/2012 7:26 PM

    Posted By jwood on 08/03/2012 3:35 PM

    a guy like babbitt, you either need athleticism or you need that "it" factor (ie. larry bird, kevin love, etc.). unfortunately babbitt has neither.  it's not the end of the world. he was a mid 1st round pick. odds are, you don't get much there typically.  he's a good guy. he plays really hard. no idea why somebody said he has no heart. that's not fair or true. just because he isn't a raging alpha male pounding his chest doesn't mean he doesn't play with heart. he's a decent borderline rotation player on the right fitting team. 


    This is about the best assessment of Babbitt that i've read. I too am guilty of Babbitt bashing.Hell , i even lobbied for his demotion to the d-league.My bad for that because he's a Blazer, and when you're a Blazer, you deserve my support. But im going to need you to step your game up boy.

    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 08/05/2012 7:35 PM

    I think most of us real fans (ones who see good and bad) have questioned Batum, Babbitt and Smith's ability.
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. BlazerManiac
    BlazerManiac
    Posts: 777

    Posted 08/06/2012 7:02 AM

    This article comes from Ben Goliver at Blazers Edge and gives a truthful of what I am talking about on Batum>
    http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/8/4/3219910/blazers-at-2012-london-olympics-nicolas-batum-victor-claver-and-joel

    France 73, Tunisia 69

    Box score

    Nicolas Batum: 19 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks on 6-for-9 shooting in 27 minutes

    This game was not nearly as close as the final score indicates. France (now 3-1) played in third gear, went very deep into its bench (nine different players saw double figures in minutes) and held a 20-point lead in the second half. Tunisia (now 0-4) got another great night from Makrem Ben Romdhane, who has been one of the best off-the-radar performers in this tournament and who has arguably the greatest middle name known to mankind (even if it's the first part of a two-word last name, whatever).

    For Nicolas Batum, this was a more extreme version of Thursday's game against Lithuania. The competition was weaker, the points (and highlight plays) came even easier and he needed to do even less to ensure victory for France. He had a solid game but wasn't often challenged; when he was, he responded as if saving his energy for future wars rather than trying to win the battle. Put simply, there was a conservation of energy vibe to both player and team. It's a totally understandable strategy: France played its three toughest opponents in its first three games and now gets to bide its time against lesser competition (Nigeria is next on Monday) before moving on to the knockout stage.

    Batum's scoring came with ease. He opened by grabbing a defensive rebound and driving coast-to-coast through traffic as if participating in the NBA's annual "skills competition" before getting bumped on his lay-up attempt and heading to the free throw line. His first made field goal came on an easy lay-up after Mickael Gelebale found him with a long outlet pass. Soon after, he repeated that trick, hauling in a long pass from Nando de Colo for a running lay-up and a foul. The play of the game also came in transition: de Colo left a pretty one-handed behind-the-back pass for a trailing Batum, who finished the play with a smooth dunk. He was also on the passing end of a run out play, hitting Parker with a deep pass that was finished for an and-one.

    Most of Batum's halfcourt impact came as a spot-up shooter. He did have one lay-up in a half-court setting, picking the ball out of the air and laying it in after Ali Traore badly missed a lay-up. He also did well to find Kevin Seraphin with a big-to-big pass along the baseline that ended with Seraphin finishing the play easily. Otherwise, it was a lot of standing and watching as Parker, Diaw and de Colo did most of the ball-handling. The passivity wasn't a liability in this one. More could have been asked for and given, one would assume, if needed.

    His distance shooting didn't involve anything we haven't seen to this point. He missed his first three attempt from the left corner after stepping backwards to catch a skip pass, he later missed another contested three from the left corner on a drive-and-kick from Parker, and he missed a right corner three on another Parker kick out. But Boris Diaw found him with an extra pass around the perimeter for a left angle three and de Colo found him on a standard drive-and-kick for a straight-on three, leaving him 2-for-5 from behind the arc on the night.

    With less competition for rebounds, Batum did a nice job on the glass, especially early. He showed an unusual flash in snaring one with one hand and he rose high in traffic among three Tunisians to secure another.

    This was Batum's least remarkable defensive performance of the week. Mokhtar Ghyaza backed him down and juked him for a bucket, Mohamed Hdidane spun past him and got him in the air on a pump fake for a late basket, Ben Romdhane got basket side on him for an offensive rebound and forced foul, and Batum lost Ben Romdhane on another defensive possession, allowing him to cut freely through the key where he received a pass and finished a lay-up. These plays weren't caused so much by a lack of focus, his main problem area on defense earlier this week, as they were the result of France's purposeful team-wide attempt to chill.

    Batum had two blocks: one in a help situation in which he was one of three Frenchmen harassing Ghyaza and the other on Ben Romdhane, who he caught near the rim. He did hit the ground for one loose ball on an offensive possession, a hustle play that eventually resulted in him getting the ball back and attempting to decapitate Salah Mejri with a vicious dunk attempt that rimmed out. His aggressiveness on the play earned free throws.

    This game really did nothing but reaffirm the assumed pecking order. France continued to track towards the No. 2 seed in Group A while Tunisia continues on its path towards the expected winless Olympics. Batum sails along as a tier two talent in the tournament, able to excel against the weaker competition with ease, able to hold his own with some of the best here, but still with unfinished business against the truly elite. Of the four games so far, this was the least meaningful. Unless France relaxes too much or Parker no-shows, Nigeria should be more of the same.

    Next up: France (3-1) vs. Nigeria (1-3) on Monday

    Nicolas Batum Game Rating: 5 out 10

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  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 08/06/2012 9:38 AM

    Nice in depth look there.
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. commontongue
    commontongue
    Posts: 1864

    Posted 08/06/2012 11:11 AM

    After all the early talk about Nicolas Batum's subpar performance against the United States in France's Olympics opener in men's basketball, the Trail Blazers forward has settled down and helped his team advance to the medal round in London.

    This morning, Batum had 23 points and six rebounds to help France to a 79-73 victory over Nigeria. After a 98-71 opening loss to the United States, the French have won four games in a row to finish pool play 4-1 and advance to the medal round.

    France's opponent in its medal-round opener Wednesday will be determined after the rest of today's games.

    Batum began the Olympics with a seven-point effort in France's 98-71 loss to the United States. Batum was handcuffed by foul trouble -- FIBA rules disqualify a player after five fouls instead of the six NBA players get before fouling out -- and by facing a U.S. team stocked at small forward (LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Andre Iguodala).

    In his next four games, Batum averaged 19.2 points and 6.8 rebounds. For the Olympics, Batum is averaging 16.8 points, 5.8 rebounds, 1.6 blocks and 1.0 steals. He has moved passed San Antonio All-Star point guard Tony Parker (15.8 points) as France's leading scorer.

    Batum also is scoring in an efficient manner, shooting 60.8 percent from the field (29 for 48), including 38.5 from three-point range (10-26).

    Expectations for Batum -- who has played four seasons for the Blazers -- rose after the Blazers matched Minnesota's four-year, $45 million offer sheet on him. Last season, Batum averaged 13.9 points and 4.6 rebounds and shot 45.1 percent from the field, including 39.1 percent from three-point range, in 59 games for Portland.

    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. jamsmashers
    jamsmashers
    Posts: 297

    Posted 08/06/2012 12:31 PM

    if batum averages high teen in points and 5-6 rebounds he is worth his money as a thrid option
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