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  1. pball8478
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    Posted 07/18/2012 9:31 AM

    Yeah they need to put the ball underneath to Leonard more. Saw  a few glimpses OF Will Barton moves here and there, but overall he had a bad shooting night. Smith and Lillard are looking good, hope Smith is OK. The rebounding was bad tonight, Leonard is learning and has work to do, and yes Babbitt look bad at the 4 but he looks better at the 3 position, his defense and rebounding are still improving though I think. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/18/2012 11:52 AM

    Need to see more assertiveness from Leonard on offense.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/18/2012 3:39 PM

    Posted By basketmatt on 07/17/2012 6:38 PM
    Boomtown my wife said they are replaying the game at 10 tonight on Directv.  I hussled home to watch only to find it wasn't on.  I think Leonard looks pretty filled out physically already.  A big that can shoot free throws is like finding a blond that can do calculus.  I liked both rookies games and I can see them both starting.  Will Barton did a great job of penetrating and dishing to others.  He has Travis Outlaw type frame and really gets out and runs.  Babbit is what he is and works hard and I like that in any player.  He is a shooter and if they build his confidence he will deliver.  

    I got it on my DVR.  7/17 10 pm pacific on ch 216.  I'm got the 4th Q of game 1 paused in the other room now :)  

    Leonard's about 240 and I got no problems with him, well, I do think bigger guys are going to push him around and he's going to get boxed out, but for a rookie, knowing he'll get better, i got no complaints and yeah, he's pretty solid from the FT line.

    Few things I've noticed in game 1 is 

    1) what I was afraid of, guys standing around and watching Lillard and he's not really involving people in the offense, but I don't care much b/c this is evaluation time for the Blazers and they're not really being coached per se.  

    2) I don't know why Matthews wanted to play in the summer league, I don't know what he worked on, or why he's now done.  I thought he wanted to build some chemistry with the young guys, but what I've seen so far is he's done really nothing.  I saw him pressure the ball once, other than that, a lot of standing around watching.  And if he's not going to try, yeah, I'd rather see Ibekwe get minutes

    3) Ibekwe in minimal minutes doesn't look bad.  I saw him take it to the hole strong and score off the glass.  He got a rebound after boxing out.  He seems to be a pretty active player.  I just don't think he's going to get enough of a look.

    4) Babbitt really is an effortless shooter.  Saw him make a tre from over a foot behind the line and he barely jumped.  

    There was a lot of talk thru 2-3 games that Lamb could be on his way to summer league MVP, but I think after the blazers 2nd game, Lillard took the lead in that conversation.  

    anyway, I think the next blazer game is on the dvr too, not positive, but pretty sure I saw my DVR is set to record another one.  I saw this oletv link that was streaming games, but I couldn't see game 2 online, but still, my dvr got it.  I'lll watch it after dinner tonight I think.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/18/2012 3:48 PM

    Posted By Hoop#22 on 07/17/2012 6:58 PM
    Very poor rebounding tonight. With Leonard going for blocks, Babbit as PF in too undersized. Our Summer League squad doesn't have good bigs apart from Meyers and against Houston having good depth with D-Mo, White, Jones, and the rest of guys agressively going to the board  - we've been simply outplayed in rebounding

    Ya'll need to know that Portland really doesn't have any size on their summer roster other than Meyers.  I think Ibekwe may be the 2nd biggest guy and he's only 220 or so.  We don't really have a banger in there.  That'll change when the season begins with Hickson... Hickson can push Terrence around.  lol.  And I do hope a healthy prz is signed b/c he sacrifices his body every night... portland does need that.  who else.  hmmm.  gadzuric's waived, thomas gone.  

    Yeah, babbitt is not a PF you guys.  He just isn't.  He's got some size, but he can't guard PF's, he shouldn't be asked to, and offensively his game is on the perimeter.  But he has been getting some rebounds, at least he did in game 1, but IMO, he's Batum's backup.  If he's playing PF in summer league, it's by default... for lack of any other options.  

    I don't think Meyers was a dominant rebounder in college, i'll have to watch him closer, but he does try and block shots, which I like.  But yeah, this is the time these guys should be learning skills like blocking out, improve court awareness, and babbitt can help in that regard as well... even though he shouldn't be asked to play PF, he's here to help and he does have size, so some technique in that regard would be helpful.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/18/2012 3:58 PM

    Boxing out is the key term there
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/18/2012 5:24 PM

    Olshey said that Leonard had the stomach flu and was throwing up in a garbage can before the game. Might account for his lackluster performance on the boards.
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 07/18/2012 6:17 PM

    Lillard and Nolan should be feeding Leonard just for practice. He might not be a dangerous low post scorer but they will be playing with one soon and we have been terrible about feeding big men in years past, except Dre.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/18/2012 7:02 PM

    great point FWF.  Webber was saying the same thing in game 1, that he was disappointed Meyers wasn't getting fed the rock more b/c he was working so hard.  Of course, everyone wants to see the big men rewarded for their effort and you're right, Lillard really needs to work on that.  To me, that is going to be the biggest complaint I think fans will have with Lillard... he isn't going to involve guys as much as he should and I said it before, he gets so involved in what he's doing and what he wants to do, that he'll be completely ignorant to wide open players.  Right now it's too early to bitch about that tho. 
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  1. texasmaverick
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    Posted 07/19/2012 11:09 AM

    has Lamarcus Reed gotten to play for the Blazers this year? We got to watch him for four years at UT-Arlington and he was really good at the college level, hopefully he'll get a chance to play pro ball.
  1. Ricky
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    Posted 07/19/2012 11:44 AM

    I watched Babbit in the first two games and it seemed he is in his zone when stationary getting the pass and shooting.  When he puts the ball on the floor and attempts to dribble he is less than effective.  But he can shoot well if more of a catch and shoot player.
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 07/19/2012 1:49 PM

    i've liked what i've seen so far from the young guys, i really liked nolan smiths new aggression i went from being worried about a back up to being comfortable pretty quick as long as he stays healthy. he also had a few nice quick moves and an improved jumper, looked like a completely different player from last year. lillard has impressed me, he's taken a few shots i didn't like but it is summer league, i dont think he could get away with some of those for long if aldridge barks in his ear like he should as team leader. like the 3rd play of game 1 leonard hooked arms with the center on the hornets and he basically hip tossed him, i loved it, almost makes me wish kurt thomas was back just to teach him some crafty big guy moves, i love the enforcer type and every good team needs one, rodman, malone, artest, sheed, rondo, KG, perkins, 1 or 2 hot heads can be a good thing if they control it right.

    i didn't know anything about barton and assumed he wouldn't be around long but he's looking like he has some potential, hit the weights, eat a couple cheeseburgers, maybe he will be a good back up for batum in a year or 2.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/19/2012 1:53 PM

    Next game starts in just over an hour
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/19/2012 4:54 PM

    I just want to say to everyone who was saying Lillard was not worth the #6 pick in the draft suck it. 

    Dude has gone for 25, 27 and 31 he even added 7 assists tonight. 
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/19/2012 5:06 PM

    The kid is nasty.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/19/2012 5:11 PM

    Dude will need to improve his defense, passing and decision making but he can light it up. 15 points per game as a rookie are a legit possibility.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/19/2012 5:16 PM

    Indeed his defense needs work,but i think he'll pick up some things from Price. But you have to admit, this kid is nice.
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 07/19/2012 5:27 PM

    that dunk is instant classic....  i can't wait to see how his rookie season goes... Rookie of the Year/All Star is not out of the question... he will log a lot of the minutes/production 

    18 / 7.5 assists / 4 boards / 1.75 steals
    48% FG
    42% 3pFG
    90% FT

    would those numbers win R.O.Y.

    my boys in Vegas are hearing tons of Brandon Roy comparisons with Lillard style and ability to play at dif speeds and take contact and finish with both hands... i think we struck gold 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/19/2012 6:00 PM

    D those numbers would make him an all star not just rookie of the year. I made the B Roy comparison months ago glad to see people are catching up. Just hope he has Roy's clutch gene and not his bad knees.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/19/2012 6:30 PM

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/19/2012 6:33 PM

    After dropping 31 points, Lillard has now scored 25+ points in 3 straight games, that's two more then any player in either summer league and his average of 27.7 points per game is tops this July (all stats via Trail Blazers PR)
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 07/19/2012 7:13 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/19/2012 4:54 PM
    I just want to say to everyone who was saying Lillard was not worth the #6 pick in the draft suck it. 

    Dude has gone for 25, 27 and 31 he even added 7 assists tonight. 


    I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. If I saw then what I see now I would have had no problem taking him at 6.
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  1. CameraOn
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    Posted 07/19/2012 8:56 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/19/2012 6:00 PM
    D those numbers would make him an all star not just rookie of the year. I made the B Roy comparison months ago glad to see people are catching up. Just hope he has Roy's clutch gene and not his bad knees.

    Those numbers are not good enough to be an All Star, the point guard position is just far too competitive, however are definitely good enough for R.O.Y. 
    I do think that Lillard will average less points and less assists than what was listed.
  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 07/20/2012 7:28 AM

    dont forget this is summer league for the assists it's only going to take a couple open shots and then he will have an open passing lane to time those lobs to a guy named lamarcus aldridge, not sure if you've heard of him, but he's slightly better than the guys he's passing to now. combine that with leonard and they may as well move the lob city title up the highway a bit.
  1. D Licious
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    Posted 07/20/2012 8:44 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/19/2012 6:00 PM
    D those numbers would make him an all star not just rookie of the year. I made the B Roy comparison months ago glad to see people are catching up. Just hope he has Roy's clutch gene and not his bad knees.

    Its still nice to hear the Roy comparisons from NBA execs, i'm glad they are catching up with you too....  although I have been pimping him since day one as a hybrid of Rose/Steph Curry/Roy haha

    Its so refreshing our point guard can get his own shot, especially at the end of quarters... love the between the legs step back jumper even tho he missed at the end of quarter he dictated like a closer.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/20/2012 10:28 AM

    It is a shame we could not pair him with Roy how unstoppable would that back court have been.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/20/2012 12:05 PM

    A) I think there have been all stars with those kinds of numbers, but they have always been returners (Dirk Nowitzki leaps to mind). Lillard would only make an all star team if he is averaging over 20 in the regular season, which is still a little bit too high to expect, despite what we've seen so far.

    B) cmeese, I think that backcourt would look good superficially, but their styles wouldn't complement each other. They play way too similar basketball and both make their magic with the ball in their hands. The reason the Wade/LeBron thing works is because Wade plays well off the ball. Brandon wouldn't have played off the ball even with Lillard at the helm. So I'm just going to say I'm happy with what we have right now.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/20/2012 12:07 PM

    A) I think there have been all stars with those kinds of numbers, but they have always been returners (Dirk Nowitzki leaps to mind). Lillard would only make an all star team if he is averaging over 20 in the regular season, which is still a little bit too high to expect, despite what we've seen so far.

    B) cmeese, I think that backcourt would look good superficially, but their styles wouldn't complement each other. They play way too similar basketball and both make their magic with the ball in their hands. The reason the Wade/LeBron thing works is because Wade plays well off the ball. Brandon wouldn't have played off the ball even with Lillard at the helm. So I'm just going to say I'm happy with what we have right now.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/20/2012 1:25 PM

    Posted By texasmaverick on 07/19/2012 11:09 AM
    has Lamarcus Reed gotten to play for the Blazers this year? We got to watch him for four years at UT-Arlington and he was really good at the college level, hopefully he'll get a chance to play pro ball.

    I saw that he's on the roster, but I haven't seen him check into a game yet, and he has no stats through 3 games:

    http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/teams/blazers/
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/20/2012 1:32 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/19/2012 4:54 PM
    I just want to say to everyone who was saying Lillard was not worth the #6 pick in the draft suck it. 

    Dude has gone for 25, 27 and 31 he even added 7 assists tonight. 

    well, that's a nice thing to say to fellow trailblazer fans asshole.

    I don't think anyone here doubted him as being worthy of the #6 pick, but arrogant dudes like you didn't even see him play in college and acted like some big know it all.  Pretty ridiculous to sit there on your perch when all you saw were some videos of a weber state player who could score and you somehow think you're godsend to the scouting world.   get over yourself.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/20/2012 1:38 PM

    I saw him play 12 times in person but I guess that does not matter to you. Also if you read the message boards and blogs a lot people had serious doubts about him because he played for Weber State. Your welcome to play the hero though, I do not mind being the bad guy.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/20/2012 1:40 PM

    Posted By D Licious on 07/19/2012 5:27 PM
    that dunk is instant classic....  i can't wait to see how his rookie season goes... Rookie of the Year/All Star is not out of the question... he will log a lot of the minutes/production 

    18 / 7.5 assists / 4 boards / 1.75 steals
    48% FG
    42% 3pFG
    90% FT

    would those numbers win R.O.Y.

    my boys in Vegas are hearing tons of Brandon Roy comparisons with Lillard style and ability to play at dif speeds and take contact and finish with both hands... i think we struck gold 

    I already predicted 20+ ppg, all-star and rookie of the year.  Beal and others will have a say in that though.  

    I really don't see Lillard averaging 7.5 apg, he's doing too much by himself and not involving others enough.  He's at 4.7 in summer league and maybe with a couple more mpg in the regular season he may average more assists, but I kinda doubt it.  I think 7.5 is optimistic, but if he's at 20 points and 7.5 apg as a rookie, we could be talking league MVP candidate as a rookie.  

    lol.  how silly, we all have such lofty expectations after a few summer league games.  lotta season to go.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/20/2012 1:43 PM

    Posted By CameraOn on 07/19/2012 8:56 PM
    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/19/2012 6:00 PM
    D those numbers would make him an all star not just rookie of the year. I made the B Roy comparison months ago glad to see people are catching up. Just hope he has Roy's clutch gene and not his bad knees.

    Those numbers are not good enough to be an All Star, the point guard position is just far too competitive, however are definitely good enough for R.O.Y. 
    I do think that Lillard will average less points and less assists than what was listed.

    Lillard's going to put portland on the map.  I think the Blazers should paint lillard on a building in NY like the Ducks did with Harrington.  

    Fans vote and everyone's going to want Lillard in the all-star game.  Hate to say I guarantee it, but Lillard is making people want to watch the summer league who never cared to in the past; the summer league continues to grow and I bet for some of you this is your first time watching the summer league and now I bet you're all going to be tuning in annually for it.  

    Lillard is going to transform things for Portland like maybe nobody since Clyde the Glyde... 
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/20/2012 1:49 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/20/2012 1:38 PM
    I saw him play 12 times in person but I guess that does not matter to you. Also if you read the message boards and blogs a lot people had serious doubts about him because he played for Weber State. Your welcome to play the hero though, I do not mind being the bad guy.

    The guy came to Portland once a year for 3 years and was in the NCAA tournament twice I believe.  So you travel with the team?

    I'm not sure why you want to act like you're such a damian lillard expert. If you were truly some scouting guru and knew more than me or others here, you'd have a job as an NBA scout, you wouldn't be wasting your time pumping up yourself blogging at iamatrailblazersfan.com.

    and after 3 summer league games, now you wanna act like joe theisman and tell everyone, I told you so?   I was right, you were wrong?  you're pretty self absorbed.  If there's a way to block people here, I'll block you.  If not, I might just find a more mature place to discuss the blazers.  I don't like pompus know it all arrogant bastards who try to act like they know more than they do... and lie about it too.
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 07/20/2012 1:50 PM

    He makes the right play... sees the entire floor so good... you just can't teach that...

    i think his assists average will be better than expected....similar to how Steph Curry gets more assists in pro game.... I think Lillard is a better playmaker than Curry too so 7.5 is in range to me.

    as a point guard, which is unheard of, he was the #2 effeciency rated player in college (behind Anthony Davis who doesn't handle the ball all the time)... no surprise at his decision making ability.. over half of Leondard's buckets have come on delivery specials from #0... LMA will love those specials

    His decision making is a strength even tho Summer League is not a great measure... 
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/20/2012 1:52 PM

    and I did read the posts.  I saw a lot of people say a lot of things and mostly what you did was talked about statistics and all the crap you compile.... most guys you talk about it doesn't even sound like you've seen them play and you come at us saying you've seen lillard 12 times?  Even if it's even possible, which I highly doubt unless you traveled with the team... hell... I don't even think he was on tv 12 times while at Weber, but I could be wrong.  And fact is, he didn't even get that much attention coming out of high school, all the more reason to doubt why you'd even pay him so much attention.  I just think you're full of crap.  

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/20/2012 3:59 PM

    Here is the game list for which I seen Lillard play
    Jan. 8 2009 at PSU Live
    Dec. 17 2009 vs UNLV TV
    Feb. 28 2010 at PSU Live
    Mar. 17 2010 vs Cincinnati TV
    Nov. 19 2011 at UC Irvine Live
    Dec. 22 2011 vs Utah TV
    Jan. 7 2012 at PSU Live
    Feb. 4 2012 vs N. Colorado TV
    Feb. 9 2012 vs N. Arizona TV
    Feb. 28 2012 vs Montana TV
    Mar. 13 2012 vs Utah Valley TV
    Mar. 18 2012 vs Loyola Marymount TV
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  1. CameraOn
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    Posted 07/20/2012 4:42 PM

    Posted By boomtown on 07/20/2012 1:43 PM
    Posted By CameraOn on 07/19/2012 8:56 PM
    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/19/2012 6:00 PM
    D those numbers would make him an all star not just rookie of the year. I made the B Roy comparison months ago glad to see people are catching up. Just hope he has Roy's clutch gene and not his bad knees.

    Those numbers are not good enough to be an All Star, the point guard position is just far too competitive, however are definitely good enough for R.O.Y. 
    I do think that Lillard will average less points and less assists than what was listed.

    Lillard's going to put portland on the map.  I think the Blazers should paint lillard on a building in NY like the Ducks did with Harrington.  

    Fans vote and everyone's going to want Lillard in the all-star game.  Hate to say I guarantee it, but Lillard is making people want to watch the summer league who never cared to in the past; the summer league continues to grow and I bet for some of you this is your first time watching the summer league and now I bet you're all going to be tuning in annually for it.  

    Lillard is going to transform things for Portland like maybe nobody since Clyde the Glyde... 
    The people's vote only accounts for the starting 5 from each conference in the all star game. The reserves are then chosen by the coaches in each conference. Kyrie Irving and Ricky Rubio got more votes than a lot of the subs for each all star team, however did not become all stars because the coaches did not include them as reserves - the same will be the case for Lillard.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/20/2012 4:59 PM

    Lillard will be great in 2-3 years but this year he will struggle a little. I honestly would be shocked to see more than 15 points a game out of him. Remember guys and gals he is not exactly suiting up against NBA starters right now. Good start for a kid with a bright future. 
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/20/2012 6:19 PM

    Los Angeles basically has a monopoly on West All-Star starting 5 until they change the voting format. This country has an electoral college for presidential elections for exactly that reason.

    Anyway, Lillard has now put out two 7-assist games, and that's passing to bad shooters. I was watching him today and his passing instinct is very good. He lobs it to guys breaking to the hoop, hits the shooters when they spot up, drops passes inside to the center, and overall has a decent drive-and-dish game. If Babbitt wasn't being his old self, missing 3 shots and passing up every open shot after the misses, Lillard might have put up a 10 assist game in summer league. When he hits Wes and Nic on the Perimeter, drops to LaMarcus, or lobs to any one of our catch-and-finish guys (LA, Nic, Leonard, E-Will, JJ, Barton) I think he'll have at least a 7 apg average if not better. If he can put up 20 ppg and 7 apg as a rookie, I won't complain.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/20/2012 6:42 PM

    I think 15 and 5 is probably a more realistic number for Lillard. I think the biggest issue will be playing time which will likely be limited to around 25 minutes a game.  
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 07/20/2012 7:04 PM

    My estimates: 30mpg, 22ppg, 6.5apg, 4.5rpg 1.5stpg
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/20/2012 7:17 PM

    At 30 mpg that leaves Price and Nolan to split 18 minutes. If Price plays 5 minutes a game which is realistic then Nolan is limited to 13 minutes a game. I think that would have been fine before but he looked greatly improved in summer league. 
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/20/2012 7:30 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/20/2012 3:59 PM
    Here is the game list for which I seen Lillard play
    Jan. 8 2009 at PSU Live
    Dec. 17 2009 vs UNLV TV
    Feb. 28 2010 at PSU Live
    Mar. 17 2010 vs Cincinnati TV
    Nov. 19 2011 at UC Irvine Live
    Dec. 22 2011 vs Utah TV
    Jan. 7 2012 at PSU Live
    Feb. 4 2012 vs N. Colorado TV
    Feb. 9 2012 vs N. Arizona TV
    Feb. 28 2012 vs Montana TV
    Mar. 13 2012 vs Utah Valley TV
    Mar. 18 2012 vs Loyola Marymount TV

    so it took you about 2 1/2 hours to research Weber State's schedule, and this is supposed to be proof of what, that you're the master Lillard guru here?  

    I'm just curious, why didn't you ever mention seeing him play before the draft?  

    Furthermore, why after 3 games are you so jubilant to say Suck it to doubters?   I mean, it sounds to me like you're some pissed off mr-know-it-all who had his own doubts, but wanted to be right so bad.  

    If there were any truth to your seeing him play so much, I think i woulda been more convinced before the draft, I wouldn't be finding out about all this now.  

    Regardless, there's one big difference between you and I, and why I'll just ignore you going forward:  I don't come here to be right and shit on fellow fans.  I come here to talk about a team I love, to share thoughts, to offer insight about things I know that maybe others don't, and just share thoughts.  I'm not here saying I'm right  you're wrong.   I watched probably 200 different NCAA teams play last year.  I constantly was watching games and clearing room on my DVR to record more... it's all I had on my DVR were basketball games.  Same now with Summer League.  All my other shows are bumped or watched and deleted b/c I only have room for basketball and I'm 22 games behind.  Thing is, no matter how much I watch, I can't sit here and tell everyone exactly how many times I've seen Cunningham... maybe 20.  I saw Kentucky maybe 25 times or more.  Syracuse was on pretty much weekly.  And with all those games on TV and with me trying to watch and absorb so much, I know the PSU Viks were on tv I think once.  And Weber State I believe was on espn during the Big Sky championship, and I don't even know if the college insider tourney's were on tv.  You seem to indicate they were, but I only recall seeing Lillard twice last year, maybe was on tv 3 times, and I saw him at PSU the year prior... I think it was the Big Sky championship game vs PSU I saw him live.  Whether you saw him all 12 times, or you're just making shit up to prove your worth, I don't care.  You've seen him play enough now that you can BS anyone here about your knowledge of him.  You just didnt' act like a guy who'd ever seen him play before the draft.  So whatever man.  

    I don't like people like you who need to be right about everything and shit on fellow fans like you're somehow superior, so please in the future, ignore posts with my name on it and I'll pass over yours b/c I don't care to butt heads with you again.  

    I think you're rude, disrespectful, and a liar to boot.
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  1. D_pickett
    D_pickett
    Posts: 726

    Posted 07/20/2012 7:45 PM

    30 minutes is low for a starter. The only guys I know that start and only put up 30 minutes are typically older. I expect 33 mpg at least.

    I disagree, Ricky, that his averages will look that similar to his college/summer-league numbers. However, I also think he's the best player in summer league (and not just on the Blazers) so every defense is gunning for him. With Nic, LaMarcus and Wesley on the floor, defenses won't get away with that.

    I'll admit 20 ppg is high expectations and very generous, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got about

    18.5 ppg
    3.0 rpg
    6.0 apg
    1.2 spg

    Give or take on the rebounds and steals, he may not be able to pull down boards in traffic or go for aggressive steals like he has in summer league.
    I am a fan of
  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 07/20/2012 9:00 PM

    Posted By boomtown on 07/20/2012 7:30 PM

    I'm just curious, why didn't you ever mention seeing him play before the draft?  

    Furthermore, why after 3 games are you so jubilant to say Suck it to doubters?   I mean, it sounds to me like you're some pissed off mr-know-it-all who had his own doubts, but wanted to be right so bad.  

    If there were any truth to your seeing him play so much, I think i woulda been more convinced before the draft, I wouldn't be finding out about all this now.  

    Regardless, there's one big difference between you and I, and why I'll just ignore you going forward:  I don't come here to be right and shit on fellow fans.  I come here to talk about a team I love, to share thoughts, to offer insight about things I know that maybe others don't, and just share thoughts.  I'm not here saying I'm right  you're wrong.   I watched probably 200 different NCAA teams play last year.  I constantly was watching games and clearing room on my DVR to record more... it's all I had on my DVR were basketball games.  Same now with Summer League.  All my other shows are bumped or watched and deleted b/c I only have room for basketball and I'm 22 games behind.  Thing is, no matter how much I watch, I can't sit here and tell everyone exactly how many times I've seen Cunningham... maybe 20.  I saw Kentucky maybe 25 times or more.  Syracuse was on pretty much weekly.  And with all those games on TV and with me trying to watch and absorb so much, I know the PSU Viks were on tv I think once.  And Weber State I believe was on espn during the Big Sky championship, and I don't even know if the college insider tourney's were on tv.  You seem to indicate they were, but I only recall seeing Lillard twice last year, maybe was on tv 3 times, and I saw him at PSU the year prior... I think it was the Big Sky championship game vs PSU I saw him live.  Whether you saw him all 12 times, or you're just making shit up to prove your worth, I don't care.  You've seen him play enough now that you can BS anyone here about your knowledge of him.  You just didnt' act like a guy who'd ever seen him play before the draft.  So whatever man.  

    I don't like people like you who need to be right about everything and shit on fellow fans like you're somehow superior, so please in the future, ignore posts with my name on it and I'll pass over yours b/c I don't care to butt heads with you again.  

    I think you're rude, disrespectful, and a liar to boot.
    How would of it have changed anything how many times I had seen him before the draft. The main complaints or reservations people had about Lillard was that he could not pass. I think he is starting to dispel that notion and that he played against poor competition. Watching him live or on tv does not change the notion that the Big Sky is not considered a powerhouse. 
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. schwabbii
    schwabbii
    Posts: 205

    Posted 07/20/2012 9:11 PM

    I think Boomtown needs to cool it. You call him an asshole for being "rude" to the others on here? No one here really states that they are better then the next guy. I think if anything, Boomtown is the one being rude and disrespectful. No need for that here.
    I am a fan of
  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 07/20/2012 9:29 PM

    I am glad everyone is jazzed about Lillard but just remember Roy played 36 mins a night as a rookie and only averaged 16.8 PPG. Lillard certainly can score but how many shots will he take a night. Assume he takes 15 shots a night, 10 2PT, 5 3PT and 5 FTA. If he shoots 50% on 2PTA, 40% on 3PTA and 90% on FTA, which is pretty elite percentages. He would average 20.5 PPG. 

    That many shots would have been good enough for 2nd on the team last year. I believe with out 11.6 million dollars we are paying Batum that is likely to be second on the team in FGA. 

    Have high hopes just not too high do not want people disappointed.
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. The Unholy
    The Unholy
    Posts: 352

    Posted 07/21/2012 3:13 AM

    im thinking more like 12-15 points a game and 5-6 assists is more realistic. that's good solid production with room for improvement.
    I am a fan of high octane motion offense
  1. kenny c.
    kenny c.
    Posts: 418

    Posted 07/21/2012 3:23 AM

    Who cares what he scores a game, what I care about is if he makes the correct play and is consistent while helping us win games, this is a team sport by the way. I think he will set LA up really well with the high pick and roll, if LA is in the post he can shoot the three or take his defender driving to the rim, all in all he will put points up, how many remains to be seen against veteran NBA defenses, but he surely seems to have the skills to help our team win, which is what it all about.
    I am a fan of Winning
  1. D Licious
    D Licious
    Posts: 199

    Posted 07/21/2012 8:35 AM

    I see some of each of these players in Lillard... some stats from their rookie seasons (16 and 7) would be solid for rook

    TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
    Rose
    81 80 37.0 7.1-14.9 .475 0.2-0.9 .222 2.4-3.1 .788 1.2 2.7 3.9 6.3 0.2 0.8 1.5 2.5 16.8
    Curry
    80 77 36.2 6.6-14.3 .462 2.1-4.8 .437 2.2-2.5 .885 0.6 3.9 4.5 5.9 0.2 1.9 3.1 3.0 17.5
    Roy
    57 55 35.4 6.1-13.4 .456 1.0-2.6 .377 3.5-4.2 .838 1.0 3.4 4.4 4.0 0.2 1.2 2.4 2.0 16.8
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