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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/18/2012 9:55 PM

    Don't expect Bradley Beal to slip on draft night. Here's what Hoopsworld's Alex Kennedy has to say-
     Executives are falling in love with Bradley Beal. Teams are trying to trade into the top four to select Beal, according to multiple sources.

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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/19/2012 1:30 PM

    Maybe we should trade Mathews and Crawford for #8, then trade #11 the rights to Claver and #40 for the #5 and Salmons.  This would give us #5, #6, and #8 now what can we do with those?
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/19/2012 3:05 PM

    Chad Ford offers up four young players Portland could target with the #11 pick-
     KC (Tulsa)
    If the Hornets are looking to trade Pick 10 for a young veteran, who are some of the potential targets?

    Chad Ford
    Darren Collison, Eric Bledsoe, Evan Turner I've heard a lot. Ditto for Paul Millsap of the Jazz.

    Chad Ford
    By the way, I'm told the Blazers are looking at the same group of players at 11 if they decide to trade the pick.
    I'd pass on all of those guys except for Turner. Millsap is worth it, but I feel like he's hit his peak. We need home runs right now.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/19/2012 4:01 PM

    Does Millsap play the pf or sf?  How old is he?
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/19/2012 4:55 PM

    Looking back at my post 1:30 pm in this Message Board by executing the two drafts we would get #5,#6,#8 and if one of the experts we actually believed what was said then we could draft Beal, Barnes, and Lilliard or we could replace one of these with Drummond.  Sounds good to me. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/19/2012 5:35 PM

    Evan Turner is a nice pick up he is probably the best rebounding guard in basketball.
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 06/20/2012 12:13 PM

    Ricky that sounds good to me! Wouldnt even need to worry if Batum signed somewhere else. We'd have more than enough money to offer somebody like Brook Lopez a max contract and then all the positions are set.
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 06/20/2012 12:45 PM

    I think the Kings might try to trade Tyreke to the Bobcats for the second pick.  Haven't heard that rumor but I think it could happen.  It'd be nice to try and get that #5 from them.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/20/2012 4:25 PM

    I don't see Charlotte trading their pick for a PG. Kemba Walker was good for them last year, and he still has a lot of upside potential.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/20/2012 5:07 PM

    Agreed Charlotte does not need a pg at least not right now Kemba seems good but if he fails to develop then they might seek to trade him. 
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/20/2012 8:23 PM

    I'm starting to think we should really pass on Drummond. This draft workout tidbit is via Sam Amick:
     In the continuing draft circuit, I'm told Kansas F Thomas Robinson had his way w/ UConn C Andre Drummond in a Cleveland workout today (No.2)

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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 06/20/2012 9:21 PM

    Tyreke is better suited for the 2 gaurd as he is more of a scorer and big enough.  If they made that trade they'd have their backcourt set for the next 10 years
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 06/20/2012 9:24 PM

    Yeah I got the feeling that Drummond will be the biggest bust of this draft.  You got plenty of good rebounding, athletic big men in this draft (Meyers Leanard, Tyler Zeller, Arnett Moultrie, Miles Plumlee) and they can all score a lot better then him.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/20/2012 9:49 PM

    Drummond is not our man
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/20/2012 10:17 PM

    what has drummond showed to even be considered being drafted in the top ten? statistically he blows
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/20/2012 10:40 PM

    With some of the changes taking place I may have to change who we might be able to get with #5,6,and 8.  Now it appears we could get MKG, Waiters, and Leonard or Lilliard.   This is a no lose predicament.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/21/2012 2:06 PM

    Hoopsworld's Alex Kennedy says Portland continues to shop their picks-
    The Trail Blazers continue to shop #6 and #11. No deal is imminent, but Portland is weighing their options and seeing what's out there. 
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/21/2012 2:18 PM

    Good thing this trade didn't go down, and I think Hoopsworld's Steve Kyler meant 11, not #10.-
     Also told that prior to making the deal with New Orleans... Washington and Portland talked extensively about swapping 3 for 6 and 10
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/21/2012 2:43 PM

    A few tidbits from Chad Ford's latest workout buzz-
    Weber State's Damian Lillard has been doing only solo workouts. So far he has worked out for the Raptors (6/12), Kings (6/13), Blazers (6/15) and Warriors (6/17). The Hornets have been trying to get him in, but he'll come only if they agree to a solo workout. It's an interesting strategy for Lillard; I'm not sure whether it's going to help him or hurt him.

    Of the teams he's worked out for, it sounds like the Blazers are the highest on him. He had a very strong workout in Portland that ended with a dinner invite from Paul Allen. The question is whether the Blazers take him at No. 6 or No. 11. With teams like the Warriors, Raptors and Hornets also high on Lillard, he might not be around by the 11th pick.

     While Rivers doesn't have a promise, I'm told he strongly believes he's not sliding out of the top 11.
     Unless something changes, Kidd-Gilchrist is done working out. He won't be visiting the Kings, Blazers or anyone else.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/21/2012 3:01 PM

    If that last rumor is true, who do you think Portland is targeting with the #3 pick? So far, none of the guys that have come to Portland strike me as a #3 pick. So are we going to take MKG or Beal without working them out?

    Either way, I say bad move. There isn't going to be a grave drop off in talent between 3 and 6, nor even 11. Why not take 2 lottery guys instead of a still risky #3? If you pick at 6 AND 11, that at least doubles the chances that ONE of them will have an impact.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/21/2012 3:46 PM

    after davis, MKG, t-rob, beal, barnes, lillard, drummond i feel there is a sharp drop off. that is why i think we need to trade somehow to the 7 slot so we have 6 and 7. which would translate to lillard/drummond, lillard/barnes, lillard/T-rob or lillard/beal (MKG won't drop). i would be very pleased with any of those scenarios.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/21/2012 4:26 PM

    I like Waiters enough to put him in your top seven and I would remove Drummond.  I have seen possibilities of getting #5 and #8 while keeping #6.  I really like the idea of #5 so lets go.  jwood, I think we are on the same track with minor differences.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/21/2012 5:25 PM

    I think you are going to get quality players throughout the entire lottery. So my point is that getting 2 lottery picks is better than getting 1. I think the Wizards would trade 3 for 6 and 11 in a heartbeat because it's the dumbest move Portland could make.

    Ricky, we all get your point with 5, 6 and 8. But I don't think we should make too many roster moves for mid-lottery picks when we are already in such a good position. I say, if you're going to make picks in the first round, pick at 6 and 11; if you're going to trade your first round picks, get players rather than other picks.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/21/2012 7:23 PM

    Chad Ford was on 1080 The Fan this afternoon. Here are some interesting tidbits-
    • Ford said the Blazers are not in re-tool mode, but in a rebuild
    • Portland HAS to take Lillard at 6 if they want him as he won't be there at 11; Toronto and New Orleans both have him on their board
    • Drummond needs Dwight Howard's mindset of just dunking over everyone instead of trying to dribble, shoot, and play out on the perimeter.
    • 50% chance that Charlotte trades the #2 pick
    Listen to the entire podcast>>>
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 06/21/2012 10:02 PM

    Take lillard, and 11 is up for anything. don't get drummond because in terms of rebuilding or re-tooling, the worst thing you could do is get that huge risk that ends up not being the value that we draft him at. for example, and this isnt to assume, its more of a question, are you more mad that we didn't draft durant or that we drafted oden. and you can pick both because 'that's how it should've played out'. I'd say I'm way more pissed we drafted a number 1 pick who couldn't even play, someone projected to have such a high ceiling. Now i'm not comparing the situation of drummond to oden, but as a 'draft situation', the position we're in, we have the free agency, we can move forward with good draft and not an exceptional one, but we can't move on with a bad draft



    If anyone tells me taking lillard is just as much a risk, I would say just watch the highlight reel, the guy can play ball, his skill sets are matured, worste comes to worste he ends up being a role player behind dragic, a nate robinson or even jarret jack. but a worst case for drummond is a hasheem effect,i just don't see the 'great' factor that he supposedly has. not to mention lillard is a fricken work horse, fought his whole way through basketball, he wasnt gifted with size, or genetics, this guy worked for it. and i dont think he's anywhere near done competing. and theres definitely arguements against this but I just see a way more wiser decision with taking lillard. of course this could all get thrown into wack if beal or barnes fall lol
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/21/2012 11:19 PM

    It will be interesting to see what happens if MKG falls
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/22/2012 12:26 AM

    knorton, I agree that Lillard is the smarter pick, but at the same time I have to point out something within your comment. Something that is often overlooked is that players who are working extremely hard at this point in their career might have less of an upside. Think about Wesley Matthews. Hardly anyone can work harder than he does; he is a beast when it comes to effort, diligence, and commitment. However, there are a lot of shooting guards better than him. I guess the danger I'm alluding to is the fact that Lillard might be playing at the highest level he can reach right now. He may never shoot a better percentage or get higher assist numbers. The question then is whether to pick Lillard with the understanding that he may not improve much beyond his current level, or pick Drummond whose potential is virtually untapped? And that's where the real debate comes from. Go big, go home, or go with a sustainable first-round playoff exit for the better part of a decade?
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  1. Reggie Lucenara
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    Posted 06/22/2012 3:18 AM

    when you look at a player when hes working hard to get his shot that means hes not very talented. talented players dont work that hard it just comes naturally. that is how we should look at the scouting videos
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/22/2012 9:16 AM

    i've taken a lot of cynicism for throwing it out there that lillard is a top 5 player, talent wise, in this draft. i really don't think that is far fetched at all. i don't know of any players in this draft with the combined shooting ability, ability to get to the rim, athleticism, and work ethic.  maybe barnes and beal but that's about it and lillard is probably the more explosive athlete of the three. plus, the guy wants to be a blazer. to me, that type of enthusiasm is huge.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/22/2012 10:37 AM

    His ability to shoot from anywhere and finish with both hands will make him an effective NBA scorer simple as that. At worst he turns out to be another Louis Williams
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  1. thatswaggyswag
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    Posted 06/22/2012 11:18 AM

    Sources are reporting that Portland is close to sealing a deal with the Bobcats, trading 6 and 11 for their 2.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/22/2012 11:24 AM

    ouch. i hope not. wonder if we're targeting beal or MKG???
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/22/2012 11:41 AM

    what sources are saying this?
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  1. jacklawrence
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    Posted 06/22/2012 11:45 AM

    ive gotta guy
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/22/2012 11:46 AM

    I would be concerned that a player that drops might be available at #2 and #6 so I hope we do not do this trade.  For example I would not be surprised if MKG slides and is available thru #6.  Two for one is not a good trade in this case.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/22/2012 2:02 PM

    I think there are better ways to get that pick plus someone will slide to 5 and that pick will be much cheaper
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/22/2012 11:24 PM

    Sources say the Portland front office specifically avoids drafting anyone the fans expect. Portland will pass on Lillard at #6 and sign Kieko Chevapravatdumrong from the ITT Tech intramural team, Da Azzkickers... sources say.

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  1. bonjustin8
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    Posted 06/23/2012 4:20 AM

    Would it be awesome if the front office trade Felton, and/or someone else, and/or a draft pick FOR Sacramento's Tyreke Evans and/or a draft pick?
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 06/23/2012 7:37 AM

    oregon live
    Portland's salary cap room remains in flux. The Blazers definitively have $26.5 million in salary commitments on six players for next season -- LaMarcus Aldridge, Wesley Matthews, Luke Babbitt, Elliot Williams, Kurt Thomas and Nolan Smith. They could add another $9.9 million in qualifying offers on Hickson and forward Nicolas Batum. 
























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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 06/23/2012 7:43 AM

    36 mil and the 6th and 11th and two early second round picks.... gotta love Bird rights

    So this is what Blazer fans have all been waiting for no wonder Allen got Neil to leave LA.. this is going to be a fun draft and free agency

    So please no more lineups with that include our salary dumpers, if their name is not on list above they are not blocks that will be in camp

    Lillard / Nash combo my first priority
    get some bigs to take heat off LMA we need him healthy
    Leonard/ Kaman
    sign our two boys
    Batum/ Hickson
    2nd rounders
    Sims
    Jared Cunningham

    That team would compete
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/23/2012 3:41 PM

    Hat Tip to cedricmasonstone for this tidbit about the Trail Blazers having heavy interest in Moe Harkless.

    Adam Zagoria: Golden State, Portland and Sacramento showing heavy interest in former ‪#stjbb‬ star Moe Harkless, source tells @SNYtv Twitter

    He is projected to be picked 21 by boston does that mean we could be looking to get a draft pick late in the first round. what do u think?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/23/2012 8:09 PM

    I would offer 11 to Boston for their picks. 
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  1. cedricmasonstone
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    Posted 06/24/2012 9:59 AM

    i would trade nolan smith for pick #21 i dont think they would do that trade so i would offer a sign and trade with crawford for #21 if they think ray allen is leaving boston.
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/24/2012 10:45 AM

    How high of a pick could we get in a trade: Crawford, 40, 41? Mid-late 1st rd? Maybe end up with Sullinger or PJ3? 4 rookies are too many. Three would be better. Drummond 6, Lillard (hopefully but doubtful) 11, if not Lillard then Rivers or Ross at 11, then Sullinger or PJ3 at maybe a 21-25 pick.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/24/2012 12:03 PM

    @wayne.lamb, I think we could get a lot higher with that trade if it weren't for Crawford's option. I think teams around the league will be gun-shy about dealing for him because he could potentially opt out the next day. That being said, I bet we could get somewhere between 23-26. But I don't know if that's worth doing because there's a bit of a drop off after about #18, in my opinion.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/25/2012 2:31 AM

    I like MOE.  I think he opened eyes when he put up 30 points and pulled down double digit boards vs Duke mid season.  Even before that he had a solid game against Providence.   He's a pretty thin guy, long, has a good ability to create and rebound. I'd guess he averaged about 15-18 ppg and probably 8 or so boards too.  The Johnnies were pretty good this past year under Lavin (although with his cancer, he was not always around), and then Moe declared after his freshman season.  It was pretty disappointing actually.  

    I'd say Moe's a poor man's Kevin Durant in that physique wise he looks like him and I think he aspires to be like him, but Moe doesn't have Durants range, can't shoot free throws as well, and he's not as good defensively.  

    I like Moe for his athleticism, ability to takeover a game, and his potential, but to me this guy is probably best served as a backup to Batum... I wouldn't expect Moe to jump in and start like I would Harrison Barnes.  Barnes is a bit stronger, bigger, and more polished.  

    I'm not opposed to Moe, but I'd prefer Portland move up a couple spots for Barnes before moving down for Harkless... unless they can get both Boston's picks and also land Fab Melo or something.  Still, bringing in Moe means Portland better be planning on matching Batum.
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  1. Chris Langeler
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    Posted 06/25/2012 5:15 AM

    Posted By D_pickett on 06/24/2012 12:03 PM
    @wayne.lamb, I think we could get a lot higher with that trade if it weren't for Crawford's option. I think teams around the league will be gun-shy about dealing for him because he could potentially opt out the next day. That being said, I bet we could get somewhere between 23-26. But I don't know if that's worth doing because there's a bit of a drop off after about #18, in my opinion.

    We would almost definitely have to sign-and-trade Jamal, but that's something he probably wants so that he can have his Bird rights with the next team he plays for.

    Either that, or prior to the trade, we'd need Jamal to formally opt-in to the PO so that whoever got him knew that they had him for at least a year.

    Jamal is our only real trade piece aside from the picks.  I hope Olshey gets good value for him, could be the lynchpin for the success of the draft.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/25/2012 12:22 PM

    That definitely would make the deal a lot easier, but my point is we ultimately have no control over Jamal since it's his option. Players tend to ride these negotiations out until the deadline. Heck, just with the way Jamal plays basketball I expect him to dribble around at half court until there's about 9 seconds left to make a decision (figuratively of course).
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/25/2012 1:08 PM

    I just hope we get something out of Jamal. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/25/2012 1:08 PM

    I just hope we get something out of Jamal. 
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