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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/03/2012 12:21 PM

    #11, 40, 41, Batum and/or Mathews, and Hickson, plus future picks if necessary for Dwight Howard with a 3-4 year contract extension, minimum. The picks are too valuable this year and no PG trade. FA is filled with PGs who can play: DJ Augustin, Goran Dragic, Aaron Brooks, Jeremy Lin, Steve Nash, etc. Next year's core line in trade scenario: Nash Mathews (if not traded), Tracy McGrady, E-Will. Batum (if not traded), PJ3 (slide to starter if Batum goes in trade) Aldridge, Hickson will go in trade Howard Otherwise, and more realistically: Nash (30 mpg), Lillard (15 mpg) (play them like Kidd and Terry in Dallas and reverse roles next year.) Mathews, McGrady Batum, PJ3 Aldridge, Hickson Kaman, Dummond (6th pick instead of PJ3 if available, doubtful) Frontload Nash's contract and Backload Kaman's as Nash's decreases and retires. I say bring in McGrady to play a big role offensively, especially for the nights when Mathews is building brick mansions. McGrady shoots a very high percentage and if his man gets passed him, there are two bigs to deny the driving bucket. There is length on the wing if tmac plays for the perimeter. Also Batum can move to sg and pj3 can come in. That's a big lineup.
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/03/2012 12:24 PM

    Dang, sorry for the grammar. Everything was smooshed together when is posted.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/03/2012 1:05 PM

    generally i am very much against trading the picks but i would definitely go with the Dwight Howard trade you proposed but only with a long term contract.  when we start talking about bringing guys like McGrady, Nash, Kidd, etc. it sounds like we are just gearing up to try and get a 7 or 8 seed in the playoffs next year.  is that really the goal?  Do we really want another aging star well past their prime? We tried that with Pippen and it really didn't produce any results. We are not a NY, Miami, or LA who can just go out and sign a bunch of free agent super stars.  we need to build through the draft.  For the first time in the franchises history we have two lottery picks.  It happens to be a deep draft.  We will have either Barnes, Beal, or Drummond available at 6 and we should take whoever is available.  They all three have star potential and we have absolutely zero chance at a title without another elite player on our team, meaning somebody as good or better than LA,  which we will never get by trading the picks and will never get through free agency.  I would stay away from PJIII and Lillard though.  Lillard is a score first PG who played in a lowly conference. That's got bust written all over it.  PJII underachieved in college, did not improve, and disappears in games like Batum.  To me it's simple. Draft Barnes, Beal, or Drummond (whoever is left) at 6 and Marshall at 11.  another thought would be to take Lamb at 11 if we don't take Beal at 6 then go sign Dragic or trade for Lowry.  Because one of those guys is leaving Houston for sure.i am very much against trading the picks but i would definitely go with the Dwight Howard trade you proposed but only with a long term contract.  when we start talking about bringing guys like McGrady, Nash, Kidd, etc. it sounds like we are just gearing up to try and get a 7 or 8 seed in the playoffs next year.  is that really the goal?  Do we really want another aging star well past their prime? We tried that with Pippen and it really didn't produce any results. We are not a NY, Miami, or LA who can just go out and sign a bunch of free agent super stars.  we need to build through the draft.  For the first time in the franchises history we have two lottery picks.  It happens to be a deep draft.  We will have either Barnes, Beal, or Drummond available at 6 and we should take whoever is available.  They all three have star potential and we have absolutely zero chance at a title without another elite player on our team, meaning somebody as good or better than LA,  which we will never get by trading the picks and will never get through free agency.  I would stay away from PJIII and Lillard though.  Lillard is a score first PG who played in a lowly conference. That's got bust written all over it.  PJII underachieved in college, did not improve, and disappears in games like Batum.  To me it's simple. Draft Barnes, Beal, or Drummond (whoever is left) at 6 and Marshall at 11.  another thought would be to take Lamb at 11 if we don't take Beal at 6 then go sign Dragic or trade for Lowry.  Because one of those guys is leaving Houston for sure.
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    Posted 06/03/2012 1:07 PM

    sorry i duplicated this. my bad
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/03/2012 1:37 PM

    It happens. PJ3 will be a stud at SF and can play PF if an injury comes up/foul trouble. He also has a pretty stroke. He should have played sf in college. I have heard he killed his workouts. Not sure how valuable the source is. I don't remember where I read it. I say Lillard only if he can play behind Nash for a year. Lillard was score first because that's what he was asked to do with poor players around him, and he scored with efficiency. Go watch his workout video. That's what made me a believer. Nash put up like 13 ppg and 11 apg this year with 53% shooting. He will play until he is 42 like Kidd. He would be a great mentor to Lillard. Dragic learned behind Nash and now he plays similarly. McGrady shot 45% from behind the arc this year. He's only 33 and playing with Nash would make him a great 7th option. Injuries have slowed him down but he's crafty and can shoot with the best of them. He can stil go off for 40 points in the right situation. I really like drummond. You take him if he's there. Beal is too short. It would be like drafting another Mathews but an inch shorter. Barnes can't create his shot. Yes there is age, but also youth at those same positions with Lillard and Mathews. I'm not saying start McGrady. Bring in another SG like Pietrus (spelling?) To start. I like tMac off the bench during crunch time when nobody seems to be able to. score.
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/03/2012 1:41 PM

    And for the record, I was on the PJ3 train from the beginning. I was very against Lillard, based on your same reasoning, but I'm a believer now. I thought he would be like Crawford. Now I think somewhere between Westbrook, Rose, and Aaron Brooks (but bigger and more athletic)
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/03/2012 2:07 PM

    i don't think height will be an issue for Beal.  he plays like dwayne wade and has similar body and skill set. his skill, strength, aggression and intelligence more than make up for his height.  In college Barnes was able to pull up off the dribble for the mid range jump shot.  It wasn't his bread and butter but he was very capable.  He is a pure shooter and has a long body.  He is explosive and gets to the rim very well.  I constantly hear how good of a basketball IQ Barnes has.  I really think Beal and Barnes will both be all star players whereas MKG and T-Rob will be very good, but probably not all stars.  They say Drummond has the highest bust potential but I don't see it.  Even if he has very limited offensive skills, so does Dwight Howard. He'll be a disappointment if you're expecting Hakeem Olajuwon or Patrick Ewing.  Drummond has a Dwight Howard body and can defend the paint, rebound, block and dunk.  That's all I need from him. 
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  1. car889
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    Posted 06/03/2012 2:26 PM

    I really like T-Mac coming off the bench as well and he comes for very cheap. We can get him for the veteran's minimum that can shoot the 3 very, doesn't take bad shots, versatile (can play pg, sg, or sf), mentor to the younger blazers, great length for a pg/sg at 6'8" and is a great facilitator. 
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/03/2012 2:34 PM

    It's just my favorite option. Yours works too. All that really matters is that we draft the ones that don't bust. Any player can surprise and any player can fail. I like pj3 to guard the SFs that are problematic: Dirk, Durant, Lebron, and Artest. Batum to guard the problematic SGs Kobe, Wade, etc. There will never be a mismatch if we have L.A. and Howard or L.A. and Kaman clogging the middle and Hickson coming off the bench. The fact is that 3 lotto picks will bust, 3 will not play to their potential, 4 will be decent, and 4 will shine (give or take one from each category). We need 1 to shine and one decent minimum. Hopefully we don't land two flops. I don't care who we take as long as he is ROY this year and an All Star next year, and we find ourselves back in realistic contention.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/03/2012 4:14 PM

    well, batum's a restricted free agent, so if you're throwing him into a deal for dwight, it's going to have to be a sign and trade.  I think the main reason why Dwight to Portland won't happen is because Paul Allen has said before that he doesn't want to get locked up in huge long-term contracts b/c the team has been burned by that in the past and Dwight's going to command one of the largest salaries in the NBA.  Not to mention, Portland is rebuilding right now around L.A.  I don't think Dwight would even want to play here unless he's optimistic this can be a playoff team.

    As far as the guy's you're all discussing, I've talked about them in other threads, but maybe we ought to come up with a potential bust meter to gauge some of these guys.

    PJ3 - why do you guys like him?  He's lazy, and he's probably about a 6-7 on my bust meter.  I worry he's a paycheck seeker, and I seriously question his heart.

    Drummond - As one of you said, I'll take this guy as a ferocious defender b/c that's what we need.  Put him in the mold of uh, what's his name, Ben Wallace?  Blocks, boards, don't expect a lot on the offensive end, he has potential, but hasn't proven much.  The Schonz is going to constantly be saying you've got to make your free throws to this guy, fans are going to get impatient, coach will have to pull him in crucial points of games, it'll be just like hack a shaq with drummond.  He is an asset on the defensive end, and I do think he'll have a long career in the NBA, but can he only play defense and defer to others offensively, will he improve to where fans will be happy with him on both ends of the court?  Cuz I sure would like Drummond over someone like Henson.  My bust meter on Drummond is only about a 2 or 3 (very low chance of busting), but I do think there is a very high chance fans grow very frustrated at times with him.

    Beal means trading up doesn't it?  And what role does he assume with the Blazers, Crawford's role?  You know what I'd prefer is trading down, getting a lower pick and some consideration, and draft Dion Waiters.  He's accustomed to coming off the bench at Syracuse, but he's a game-changer was well and I think he might have been Syracuse's best player as the year progressed.  I think he'd accept a role coming off the bench in Portland behind Matthews, and eventually he'd earn his keep.  Plus if we have PG issues, he's adept at handling the ball.  As is Beal, but the difference is we can trade down to get one and have to trade up for the other.  And when the smoke clears, do you guys think Beal is really that superior to Waiters?  I think Waiters could be an all-star himself.

    The one guard I don't care much for is Jeremy Lamb.  He rose up and did well in the tournament the year they won it all with him and Kemba, but last year Lamb was less reliable.  If portland wants a thin SG with athleticism and potential, I think I might be more excited about Will Barton. 

    I don't really hear anyone talking about John Jenkins.  Maybe not an exciting pick, but the dude can bust a bucket from downtown.  The guy averaged 20 ppg in a tough conference, and he shot 44% from downtown last year... nearly 50% from downtown 3 years ago.  He needs to improve defensively, maybe get a little stronger, but he's not as thin as lamb and barton.  I dunno.  he could provide an awesome spark off the bench.  

    sorry, i'm rambling and way off the beaten path now.

    Last word, yes, I agree there are many free agents and I hope Portland is targeting a FA over Marshall or Lillard because there'll be better PG options in the future... this is not a good year for PGs.  And I've said it a million times before, but I'd prefer Machado in the 2nd round over using a lottery pick for one of the "touted" PGs out there.

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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/03/2012 4:51 PM

    that is the bottom line.  we must nail these draft picks.  i took your advice and studied up a little on lillard. now i'm second guessing myself.  i was convinced to take barnes, beal, or drummond at 6 and marshal at 11.  lillard is intriguing though if he is around at 11.  it looks like he has been climbing in the mock drafts though.  a recent one has the blazers taking lillard at 6.  i still wouldn't do that but now i'm thinking maybe at 11 if he's around.  i guess it just depends what style you want to see because marshal and lillard are polar opposites.  i have always liked the traditional Jason Kidd, Andre Miller type PGs. but lillard looks scary similar to Westbrook. imagine the fire power of a lillard, beal, batum, aldridge, and overpay hibbert to get him over here. or, if beal's not available, draft barnes and move batum to to 2 guard.
    i'm wondering if we have enough money to sign batum, hickson, and hibbert.  i know we would have to give hibbert a ton of money. i'm not against hanging on to thabeet either. he could be a quality defender in the NBA and really change the game with his presence in the paint.  he just needs somebody on his ass every day in practice. it's almost worth keeping pryz around just to toughen up thabeet.

    lillard/flynn/smit
    beal/matthews (maybe start matthews with beal off the bench. it will be sefolosha/harden 2.0)
    batum/babbitt
    LA/hickson
    hibbert/thabeet
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/03/2012 5:44 PM

    Man, these are guys I feel like I can talk about for hours, we should be picking up the phone and having a conference call, hash it all out ourselves, then send some tweets out to the Blazers, letting them know we've got it all nailed down.

    There's just so many strategies and not knowing who Portland intends on keeping around is making this a bigger mystery.

    Thabeet I was a HUGE fan of in college.  My god, I don't think fans have even come close to knowing what a game changer he is if they haven't seen him in college. 7-3, blocks a ton, alters a ton, but he's been in the D league twice because he's a bit clumsy, not that good offensively, actually a bit of a liability.  Still, he started getting minutes down the stretch after we cleaned house and had a dozen injuries.  So yeah, I would definitely love to keep him.  You know, in college, Hibbert was actually a bit of a bump on a log and he wasn't as touted as Thabeet coming out of college, but he's developed.  I have heard his name kicked around a bit and I"m not opposed to him coming to Portland.

    Last I heard Portland had about 20 million in cap space?  someone can correct me there, but I figure Batum's going to command about 10 of that, no?  Hickson should command at least 4, but he played so well down the stretch, he may have earned more.   I honestly am not a salary/contract guy, so predicting all this stuff is not my fortay, but if I'm right about Batum and if you're right about Hibbert, then my guess is some other salaries have to be moved to make room.

    One proposal by someone here (I think it was on a blog or radio spot) was moving the 6 to utah for one of their bigs.  

    Many things are feasible, but as you say, we need some bottom lines as to what's best for Portland.

    Thabeet is a free agent next year, right?  And he's due to make about 5 mill this year.  I would love him to be our starting center b/c him and Aldridge together could be great.  17 minutes, 4 pts, 6 boards, 2 blks vs Utah last year.  20 minutes 8 boards vs Memphis.  It's a glimpse, but it's something.  

    Hickson was great in college and I was real happy when he landed here last year.  He's young, strong.

    I guess the thing is, Thabeet needs work and I don't think he's ready for 40 minutes a night.  The team doesn't seem to think so either.  So what's he done this offseason and what the team has in mind will go a long way to determining what Portland does to get help at Center either in the draft or trades.

    And whether or not we intend on matching Batum or Hickson goes a long way to figuring out if Portland might seek players like MKG, Barnes, PJ3, TJones, Robinson, or the like.  

    anyway, food's on the table, otherwise I'd write a whole book.  I haven't even talked about lillard.  lol.  not that I want to.  Next year Michigan's PG should go pro.  We can talk more about that later.  But my vote would be to sign a FA PG b/c I'm not sure about the future of Lillard and Marshall and while I don't think they'll bust, I don't think either are the all-around PGs Portland wants right now, which is why Nash or Kidd would be awesome and when we're in the lottery again next year, which we should be, well, maybe there'll be a better crop of PGs to choose from.
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/04/2012 6:26 PM

    I suppose if you really believe in Thabeet, which I really want to... you draft pj3 and lillard. Thabeet doesn't need to be bigger. Garnett is small for center and he's a defensive king. He just needs to play with agression. Lillard Batum/Mathews (trade one or make one a back up), McGrady PJ3 Aldridge Thabeet / try to sign Kaman though or one next year I loved Thabeet in college and I hate that nobody has given the man a real chance. I say this is the time to roll the dice. Play the man 35-40 a game. A #2 pick deserves one legit shot.
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