Ranking The Draft's Power Forwards
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/23/2012 3:24 PM



    Dreams Of Davis, Other Power Forward Prospects Entice Teams - David Aldridge | NBA.com

     But there is no question who the first pick of the Draft will be -- Davis, the freshman sensation from Kentucky who led the Wildcats to the NCAA national championship and whose defensive skills have every lottery team from 1 to 14 dreaming about the possibilities of putting Davis in the home white next season. He jump-starts every team's rebuilding process and accelerates most to the point where making the playoffs becomes the expected outcome going forward.

    Davis tops a list of versatile and different power forward prospects. The four position is viewed by most personnel types as the deepest in the Draft, featuring at least seven players almost certain to go in the lottery or soon afterward. And another half-dozen players could be taken late in the first round or early in the second. The arguments about prospects are nitpicking-most teams really like Kansas junior Thomas Robinson and Ohio State sophomore Jared Sullinger. The only questions about either will be how the teams that take them use them.
    What The Scouts Are Saying About Anthony Davis
     "The games that he struggled in in college -- at Indiana, where he struggled with Cody Zeller, he was in foul trouble the whole game -- and he really struggled against North Carolina," a Central Division college evaluator said. "He had the great block (to preserve a 73-72 victory in early December), but he really struggled. He struggled in games where it got physical in the post. He got in foul trouble. But, believe me, his pros outweigh his cons by about 10 to 1."

    Said a Pacific Division executive: "I would offer you that I think it's going to be a minute. This is not LeBron James or Dwight Howard or a guy like that. He's clearly the best player but I don't think it's like an immediate, meteoric turnaround right away. I think it's going to take a little time ... He's still growing into his body, I believe." 
    Davis' restraint while at Kentucky also won over many NBA scouts. On a Kentucky team that will likely again have five first-round picks this year, Davis didn't try to dominate on offense. He was content playing to his strengths on defense to help the Wildcats win, even though his offense was more developed than he showed.

    "I went to one of Kentucky's practices early in the year, and he made elbow shots in practice," another Pacific executive said. "And I'm told the same thing ... that he can actually step up and take a shot, with a shooting form. And for a kid who grew up late I don't have any doubt he can shoot it." 


    What The Scouts Are Saying About Thomas Robinson
    "Robinson's next," said a veteran Western Conference scout whose team won't be picking high enough to take him. "He's probably a more aggressive player. Although Sullinger can step out and shoot the jump shot, whereas Thomas really can't. But if you're looking at the playoffs, you're looking at guys like (Memphis') Dante Cunningham, and (the Clippers') Reggie Evans, those forwards who change the game because they play so hard and they're aggressive and they can rebound. Robinson can do that."

    "He'd have to develop into that" go-to guy, another Western Conference GM said. "Right now I would put him more in the mold of a more energetic [Charles] Oakley type-just rebounding, active, be in every play, maybe an enforcer a little bit. Could he be a go-to guy? It would depend on the team, and expectations. Knock on wood, I think he's going to succeed because of his great desire to play."
    Robinson did some posting at Kansas, but he scored most of his points off of cuts, running the floor and energy plays.

    "He's not a David West type of guy," a Western Conference general manager said. "He's more a high energy guy. He could be anywhere from a Faried to a young Horace Grant. Like most young guys, he'll get in foul trouble early (on defense) and figure it out by year two or three. He's a physical specimen, now. When you look at his build, he's body beautiful."


    David Aldridge's 2012 Big Board: Power Forward


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    Anthony Davis is obviously the consensus No. 1 overall pick and the creme of the crop when it comes to Power Forwards, but the posts in this class make this one of the better power forward draft classes in recent memory. Thomas Robinson and Jared Sullinger both have All-Star written all over them and would have been in the discussion for the top pick in nearly any other draft. In fact, there could be as many as six 4's taken in the lottery. Although power forward is not a position of need, the talent is undeniably there. Could any of these players work alongside LaMarcus Aldridge? How would you rank this group of bigs?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/23/2012 6:37 PM

    Not a fan of Sullinger
    But getting Anthony Davis would completely change the entire dynamic of the team.
    Thomas Robinson is an awesome prospect 
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  1. postedbailblazers
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    Posted 05/23/2012 7:43 PM

    It is possible that T Rob could fall to us if we have picks in the top 6.  It could be that we get stuck with Sullinger being the best talent remaining at our pick however.  Not sure about him as much.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/24/2012 11:15 AM

    I think someone who should go Top 5 (MKG, Beal, Drummond, Robinson) will fall. Outside of Davis, the rest of the lottery seems to be set in tiers but the order of those tiers is what's in question. Although Robinson doesn't fill a need, he would be a fabulous pick-up and would also allow us to not have to re-sign J.J. Hickson, giving us more money to use on other positions.

    I'm torn on Sullinger. On one hand, I've seen what Kevin Love has done and a part of me thinks that he could end up being a dominant force in the paint, very similar to Zach Randolph. But the old saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me try, shame on me." We've already been burnt by an Ohio State center with different leg lengths so it would be a tough situation for both the fans and Sullinger to deal with. You know he would get blasted with questions and comparisons to Oden. But, he may just be too good too pass up on if he's there at 11.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/24/2012 1:30 PM

    Dustin Sullinger has loads of potential but his conditioning is terrible. Without motivation the kid could easily show up over 300 pounds to training camp. If he shows up at around 260 the kid certainly has the talent to become a very good NBA player. At 300 pounds he would be an offensive fouling machine as much as he relies on his size to get his shot off. Defensively he is a mess unless he plays against someone who will try and bang with him. Terrible on pick and roll defensive, not athletic enough to be a help defender and will struggle big time with more athletic bigs.  

    At 11 he would be too good to pass up you are certainly right about that.  But I see too many questions right now to take him at #6. 
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/26/2012 9:56 AM

    I think top 5 will go something like this: Davis, MKG, Drummond, Beal, Robinson.  Barnes or Sullinger would probably go 6 Perry Jones, and Rivers might be other possibilities.  I do not see any of the top 5 dropping to the next level.  The next five are going to be harder to predict.  Jeremy Lamb or kendall Marshall orJohn Henson could sneek into the 6-10.  I am interested in who you think is going to drop and who Portland will select. 
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  1. postedbailblazers
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    Posted 05/27/2012 10:26 AM

    If we crack the top five with the NJ pick I would like to keep the pick and take T Rob, Drummond, MKG, or Beal.  Whichever one we end up with will have great potential.



    Barnes and Sullinger will go six and seven.  If we keep the pick I would take Barnes b/c he has equal potential and fills a need.  However, the six or seventh pick might be worth more to us as trade fodder.





    The eleven spot is more of a crap shoot but that next tier of talent will be available there.  IMO that group consists of Lillard, Marshall, Rivers, Zeller, Jones III, and Lamb.  My gut tells me Rivers, Marshall, or Lillard out of this group.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/27/2012 11:23 AM

    New Jersey's pick cannot come to us any higher than 6. It could be 6-13 or not come at all. 1,2,3, they keep it 4,5 not f'ing possible. So please people read Sarah's blog on the draft before posting.
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  1. SydneyRED
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    Posted 05/27/2012 6:20 PM

    1. Anthony Davis (nearly untouchable consensus #1, probably the most NBA-ready player in the draft, though his game is still developing)
    2.  Thomas Robinson (Another really good player, hard to say how he'll end up in the NBA)
    3. Jared Sullinger (Hard to say)


    Surprises down the road:
    John Henson (I think he'll become a very good defensive player down the road)
    Arnett Moultrie (If he falls on the right team, watch out. He's got a pretty well, rounded game with NBA athleticism)
    Royce White (Some scouts have said he has point guard skills in 6,8-6,9 270 pound body, really good playmaker, very much tweener, but his long range shooting is not quite there).
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  1. postedbailblazers
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    Posted 05/28/2012 12:41 AM

    Why thank you Cmeese for finding a most deutsche baggy way to communicate that.  I have been brought up to speed and totally degraded in the same breath. :P~





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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/28/2012 5:31 PM

    I do not think you could end up with 6 and 13.  If Portland's 11th pick becomes #13 then that means two teams who would draft behind Portland ends up with two of the top three draft positions.  If that happens that means our #6 pick would drop two slots and become the 8th pick.  I have not read the blog you Cmeese refers to in your blog.  Is this correct?   
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/29/2012 11:28 AM

    @Posted I am sorry I was not specifically aiming that post at just you I have seen people constantly saying the same things for months and just lashed out.

    @Ricky you are correct the only way Portland moves back from 11 is if one the teams behind them makes it into the top 3. 

    We have a 2% chance of being top 3 91% of stay at 11 6% chance of falling to 12 and a .1% chance of falling to 13 or 14. 
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  1. postedbailblazers
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    Posted 05/29/2012 4:24 PM

    Apology accepted.  :P~ <kiss kiss hug hug>

    Lottery tomorrow.  Woopee.  Let the offseason season begin!
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/31/2012 5:03 PM

    Unless Thomas Robinson falls to #6, I don't really see why we would take a power forward in the first round. I'm very leery of John Henson and am not very high on Jared Sullinger either.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 05/31/2012 6:38 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 05/24/2012 1:30 PM
    Dustin Sullinger has loads of potential but his conditioning is terrible. Without motivation the kid could easily show up over 300 pounds to training camp. If he shows up at around 260 the kid certainly has the talent to become a very good NBA player. At 300 pounds he would be an offensive fouling machine as much as he relies on his size to get his shot off. Defensively he is a mess unless he plays against someone who will try and bang with him. Terrible on pick and roll defensive, not athletic enough to be a help defender and will struggle big time with more athletic bigs.  

    At 11 he would be too good to pass up you are certainly right about that.  But I see too many questions right now to take him at #6. 

    Dustin?  Is that your nickname?  

    I'm not really sure I follow your philosophy.  For me, I figure if the Blazers want a guy, they want him, and it's not a matter of whether he slides or falls on their lap, or whatever.  I mean, if Anthony Davis slid to 6, we'd all be shocked and loving life.  If we don't take Sullinger at 6, I don't think the team's going to all the sudden be licking their chops for him at 11, will they?   Unless they do actually want him and just think they can do better at #6.  

    But in your case, it sounds like you don't like him, you question his size, work-ethic, and overall ability, yet you'll settle for him at 11, but don't want him at 6?

    I'd say don't draft him at all, even if he slides to the 2nd round.  

    Who cares about Jared, we already have a guy like him named LaMarcus Aldridge.  Sullinger won't amount to anymore than L.A.   What we need is a blocking machine and that's not what Sullinger is.  We could use a big body to push some guys around in the paint, but Jared "eat fresh" Sullinger actually lost weight between his Freshman and Sophomore seasons, and he isn't a physical player, he's really more in the mold of an LA or Duncan.  What we want is a guy with potential like Drummond... a guy who will mix it up in the paint.  What we really want is Robinson, a guy who'll push people out of his way.  But I kinda want the package deal... a true center with more height than L.A. and a guy who can block shots.  And with that I'm getting off the topic of Power Forwards because I think Portland needs a shot blocking center.  Aldridge is our Power Forward and we only want a PF because LA's not physical, at least not in a Karl Malone type of way and that's what portland wants.  I think JJ Hickson is more physical than LA and he could really continue to develop into a stud, so maybe portland shouldn't even be targeting any PF's...  and I do think Drummond is considered to be a Center, but he's only 6-10.  Still, I think he's about 270?  

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/31/2012 7:19 PM

    The problem is there are really very few legit centers left in the league. Portland certainly could use someone like Roy Hibbert, Greg Monroe, Tyson Chandler, Demarcus Cousins, Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum but I do not see any of them being acquirable. 
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