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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 03/08/2012 12:38 AM

    If you ask me Portland has hit a wall. They simply do not have an identity with the current squad and the current talent level cannot compete for an NBA title. A trade for Rondo would be a step in the right direction. With Rondo and LA we could have a championship nucleus. The key would be to add the right pieces around those two. I would love to keep G Wallace but at the 12 mil per he will command on the market he is likely to steep to keep. Without him the Blazers have just 2 players that I would keep to build around Rondo and LA.

    The first is N Batum. He will be a Restricted FA so we will likely need to give him around 8 mil a year. With his improved 3 pt shooting and solid defense he would be a great piece to add next to Rondo and LA.  The second is E. Williams. We have not got to see a lot from him but he plays hard is a decent defender and is an explosive athlete that could really develop. With those 4 players you would have 3 starters and a bench player leaving lots of work to be done.

    One of the reasons Rondo is so good is he has great shooters in KG, Pierce and Allen around him. Portland would need a shooter than fit Rondo's game. I would love for that guy to be Ryan Anderson. Him and LA could easily pull shot blockers away from the rim opening up the lane for Rondo. Unfortunately, he is a restricted FA and Orlando is likely to match any offer for him. Therefore, we would need to trade for him and the only way I see that happening is with Portland taking on Turkoglu. A trade of G Wallace and L Babbit for Anderson and Turkoglu would work for the Magic and Blazers. Orlando would be getting a former All-star to pair with Howard or worst case scenario an expiring contract and the ability to amnesty Big Baby. 

    Portland would have to eat Turkoglu's contract and would likely need around 8 mil a year for Anderson but each of those two players would work with Rondo. Anderson is shooting 42% from 3pt range this year and Hedo while his % is down is still hitting 35% from deep. This trade would complete our starting lineup. Leaving it Rondo, Batum, Turkoglu, Aldridge, and Anderson with Williams coming off the bench. 

    Obviously we would not be able to win a title with 6 players so Portland would need to add some depth. Crawford is rumored to be on his way out of town so we need to get something from him. By something I do not mean a scrub like Ridnour. A trade to the Kings for I Thomas and JJ Hickson would be a huge boon for Portland but I am not sure Sac would be willing to give up Thomas. 

    This post is getting lengthy so check out my full revamp in the Trade Rumors thread. But I want to hear back on what you would do to make this team a title contender again. Please be realistic with your replies because we are not going to be signing Howard or Williams. 
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  1. RipCityRepresent
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    Posted 03/08/2012 6:09 AM

    Deron Williams would also be a great PG, hes doing great and that kid has a bright future ahead of him. I feel it'd be a huge mistake to get rid of Wallace though. I dont know what the team would be like without him.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 03/08/2012 11:44 AM

    I just do not seeing us getting Deron. He will be offered a max contract from every team with cap space but Portland is not an ideal market. For one our 9% income tax would kill our chances when compared to Orlando or Dallas who have 0 income tax. That would be like 8 mil he would be giving up. If Rondo is available he is the best option for PG. He is a great passer and elite defender and someone who always plays and works hard. Plus he deal is very team friendly at 11 mil per.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 03/08/2012 12:03 PM

    Ideally we might need to look at the draft. Meyers Leonard would be a great pick for where we are likely to land in the draft. He is a good help defender and shot blocker and has a good shooting touch. If we can help him develop his post game we will have a solid option at Center. If we could get the Lakers first round pick for Felton we could potentially parlay that into signing Doron Lamb. He would give us a good scoring combo guard off the bench who is an excellent 3 point shooter. This years draft is light on PG so we would still need to get someone. 

    We have potential but we a long way away from elite without Rondo or a comparable PG. 
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 03/08/2012 2:16 PM

    i dont know if rebuilding is the right term but we do need some different pieces
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  1. flyroy69
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    Posted 03/08/2012 3:01 PM

    I'm not totally sure that rebuilding the team is necessary, maybe just a few pieces, but am seriously questioning the direction of the coaching staff, and the same old isolation offense that does not work.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 03/08/2012 3:44 PM

    Okay maybe rebuild is a little strong but honestly can we contend for a title without making serious changes? I say NO!
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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 03/08/2012 7:35 PM

    Honestly, the Blazers have a number of problems going on right now. We need to try a new head coach. He hasn't been able to motivate and get this team in gear the whole time Nate has been here. The only thing that has helped him is having Roy who could bring the team back to contention. Why not try Elliot Williams at point and trade Wallace. For the money we have to give him, it's not worth it. 
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  1. Alex Jewell
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    Posted 03/11/2012 4:49 PM

    McMillan is supposedly a defensive oriented coach, but the Blazers defense really isn't that good. They switch on all pick and rolls leaving mismatches all over the place. Camby and Aldridge, as athletic and long as they are, can't cover guards on the perimeter. Wide open shots are a common occurrence, and above all else, the team seems to be tuning him out. In my opinion, the Blazers should have let go of Nate a couple years ago and kept Monty Williams. 

    The team was never as good as the expectations before the season, many seemed to have quickly forgotten what Brandon Roy did for this team, but how they are playing now is just pathetic. I expected them to be somewhere between the fourth and seventh seed in the West, but at this point it looks as if the playoffs are out of the question. 

    Felton came into the season out of shape, and still isn't playing well. Stupid turnovers and poor shooting is not what we were expecting when the Blazers acquired him in the offseason. 

    Gerald Wallace only chooses certain games to actually show up to. The hustle and tenacity that is the staple of his game comes only in spurts, and very rarely on the road. 

    Jamal Crawford has been Jamal Crawford. When they signed him I wasn't excited, and he has done exactly what I thought he would do: take a lot of shots, not make a whole lot, and not pass very often. 

    Marcus Camby is a 37 year old big man. At times he looks lazy, swatting hopelessly at shots, and not boxing out. And other times he brings the passion, diving on the floor for loose balls and pulling down 20 rebounds, but is that really worth just under $12 million dollars for this season? I don't think so. 

    So all in all, I think its time to overhaul the franchise. Starting from the top. Paul Allen needs to decide what he is doing. Firing two very good general managers in Pritchard and Cho didn't make any sense, and still having not hired another gm is something you have to wonder about. Does he want to make all the decisions, much like Jerry Jones of the Cowboys? How has that worked out lately? 

    Then we move on to the coach. As discussed above, I think it is time to move on from the disappointing Nate McMillan era. There are a lot of 'could haves', and 'what ifs.' "What if Greg Oden hadn't gotten hurt?" "What if B Roy were healthy?" "We could have won a championship, maybe multiple." It's not McMillan's fault, but there comes a time when you just have to move in a new direction. 

    And now to the roster. The only 'untouchables' are LaMarcus Aldridge and Nicolas Batum. Let me start there. What was the front office doing in January which didn't allow for them to come to an agreement with Batum for a contract extension? GET IT DONE! I'd say he is the second best player on this team with a lot more potential. Lock him up to a longterm deal. 

    And now, as the trade deadline approaches, what moves will the team make? First I would like to address the rumored Crawford for Luke Ridnour deal. He's not much better than Felton, we need a point guard of the future, Ridnour is a solid backup for a championship caliber team. Now that Rubio is out for the year, this deal seems less likely to happen, which I am happy about. 

    Crawford is a perennial sixth man of the year candidate who can score in a hurry. He can also shoot you out of ball games, so if there is good return for him I say deal him. 

    Gerald Wallace to me seems like he doesn't want to be here, which I find strange because he's been on a Charlotte Bobcats team that has never really been good. So if there's something out there for him, go for it.  

    I understand Felton has a low trade value, but get what you can for him, package him with someone else, just get him out of town. He has underperformed all year, and has little to teach the young guards. Yes, he has played a bit better as of late, but that just helps his trade value. Even if he keeps up his decent play as of late, the Blazers aren't going to resign him for next year, so get rid of him and get something in return. 

    Marcus Camby has a large expiring contract, that has to be enticing to someone. Again get what you can and move on. I wouldn't be too disappointed though if they keep him because the team would get cap room in the offseason, and he can teach the young guys for the rest of the season. 

    Wesley Matthews may be a target for a few teams, and if you can get a reasonable deal, I see no reason not to take it. Matthews is a solid player, and good defender, and usually a solid shooter, although not this season. However, I have seen no progress in his game from last year to this year. He is a role player you can plug into your starting lineup, or have come off the bench, but I don't see him becoming a go to guy. 

    Other than that the team consists of some veterans who have little trade value, and young guys who have some potential. We have started to see what Elliot Williams can do, Luke Babbitt has shown a few signs of potential, and I would really like to see Nolan Smith get some consistent minutes to see what he can do. 
    What the Blazers should look for either via trade, or in the offseason is a franchise point guard, and a young center with potential. 

    A couple of guys I like are Rajan Rondo. A lot of teams would like to have him, and there are conflicting rumors of whether or not he is available, but I would make a push for him. A young big man who I think has a lot of potential is Anthony Randolph. He has been around the league a few years, but is still just 22, and has tremendous athleticism. 

    Therefore, I have a trade proposal involving Minnesota and Boston. It may have been better before Rubio got hurt because the deal would make the Timberwolves a contender right now, and Boston would get a whole lot younger: The Blazers would get Rondo, Anthony Randolph, and Brad Miller and his contract. Minnesota would receive Ray Allen, Jamal Crawford, and Gerald Wallace. And the Celtics would get Felton (expiring contract), Michael Beasley (last year of contract), Derrick Williams, and Wesley Johnson.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 03/11/2012 6:43 PM

    I think you make some good points but I blame Nate a lot more than I do Felton. Felton is a open floor fast paced PG not a slow grinding half court guard. It is much easier to take risks while running down the court than in a set offense. Not to mention those mistakes are rarely as impactful as any made under Nate's slow offense. With Nate's slow pace Portland rarely has the luxury of making a mistake. 

    At this point I would like to keep Felton unless he nets a First round pick and see what he truly can do. However since it is unlikely we will fire Nate until the off-season maybe we should consider going after the big FA pg's this summer but be willing to bring back Felton with a coach that would not force him to completely change his game.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 03/12/2012 6:19 AM

    Rebuild was the word I used a year ago while using the amnesty word with regard to Roy, and got ripped apart for both.  Yes, rebuild.  The problem?  Rebuilding around a Robin (a second option) in a small and undesirable market with limited (at best) ability to land a Batman (a leader on AND off the floor) within Robin's prime. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 03/12/2012 10:41 PM

    I do not see us signing a Batman this off-season or anytime soon.

    Therefore, what Portland needs to do is one hope that LA can turn himself into a Batman. I believe he has the skills to do so. But even without him being Batman we could win a title with Robins. The Detroit Pistons did just that a few years ago. To do so we will need defensive minded players willing to put the team first. 

    Rondo would be a perfect fit at PG on this type of team but it is looking less likely he will be available. If we cannot get Rondo his back up would be a great pick up. Avery Bradley is one of the best defensive PGs in the league and is a huge reason why the Celtics were even considering trading Rondo. Trading G. Wallace and Nolan Smith for Ray Allen and Bradley would be a great deal for Portland and Boston. Wallace with Garnett and Rondo would crush people defensively while Pierce could easily slide over to play the 2. Portland would get a HOF SG and there PG of the future. 

    Batum is a good option to stay at SG for the future and plays a lot like T. Prince. He must be kept. 

    Gerald Wallace is a beast who has been a bit inconsistent this year. I think we are to reliant on him scoring for us. Tell him to focus on D and crashing the boards and cutting to the hoop all the things that made him an all star. He would be a great person to keep or resign this summer. 

    LA is an alright defender but he needs to get better at rotating and rebounding. He is the Franchise player on this team. 

    So as you can see we have 3 good batman pieces and if we can continue to build on that with defense first Portland can win a title it will just come down to finding the right pieces. 

    Who are the Piston type Robin players you would like to see on the Blazers?
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