Blazers Robbed or Beat?
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  1. NOYB
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    Posted 02/07/2012 8:53 AM

     
    Cannot depend on officials.  You have to win the game so that the officials do not have opportunity to award the game to the opponent.
     
    Was it a bad call?  I think so.  But it should not have mattered.  If it comes down to a single call then you didn't win the game anyway.  And from what I saw, Thunder played a better game than the Blazers.
     

  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 02/07/2012 10:02 AM

    it played out exactly how i though it would after watching the first quarter. the refs showed a little too much one sidedness to the blazers early and i knew that meant a blown 4th quarter in favor of the thunder was coming. they manipulated tempo all game by flip flopping sides. do the blazers need to execute down the stretch? absolutely. but i imagine playing all those minutes on top of having the game manipulated is extremely tiring.
  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 02/07/2012 11:10 AM

    Too many of our losses have been by 1 or 2 possessions, so I think you're mistaken to say that in order to win you have to win strongly enough "so that the officials do not have the opportunity to award the game to the opponent".

    The officials are NOT there to be that last hurdle for a team to pass over, the officials are there to ensure that when a game comes down to clutch plays like this, that the rules of the game are followed CONSISTENTLY AND EQUALLY. In this individual case, in a close game between 2 evenly matched teams, I think it's pretty undeniable that the offical's mistaken calls (yes, plural) helped pave the way for OKC to build the momentum they needed to beat us by 2 baskets.

    If it had been the other way... if Blazers were down by 2 with seconds to go, and LaMarcus went for a huge layup, and Durant chased him down and blocked it from behind... the ref never would have had the balls to call goaltending. It was a nationally televised game, involving star players and the leaders of the division (read as "popularity plays a factor in the human mind, ref or otherwise"), and a call that was too close to make decisively (without using the video, which they had but chose not to use). If it had been KD chasing Aldridge, I have no doubt that Scott Foster's mind would've tipped the other way, towards calling it a fair block and giving the more popular team the win. So same result I guess, same corruption and human bias, just saves us 5 minutes of heartache.

    OR, we could take up arms about this, and as a national fanbase pressure Stern to make a change in the future that encourages refs to use the video technology available to them in assisting with calls that are critical to the game and too close for the human eye to decipher clearly.

    Sounds like a pretty easy choice; accept that Stern's refs are not balanced or fair and there's nothing we can do, OR protest their poor decisions and hold them accountable so that eventually, things will have to change.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 02/07/2012 11:33 AM

    Great post NOYB...and I couldn't agree more.

    Any team that primarily shoots jumpshots has very little chance at beating a team who is primarily attacking the rim and getting points in the paint.  Percentages, NOT rocket science.  When this Blazer roster isn't rebounding and getting out in transition, they're going to lose more often than not, barring the rare night when someone catches fire the way Nico did with Denver.  This is why Camby is so vital to the Blazer's fortunes this season.  MC is the only Blazer rebounding on a consistent basis.  My eigth grade boys team would be running suicides for a half hour straight following a game where NOONE boxed out.  Last night was absolutely disgraceful and embarrassing.  Professionals, getting paid MILLIONS to play a recreational game should be held more accountable, yes even by their own fan base.

    More Craig Smith please...  Less Tinkerbell

    During one 5 minute stretch last night, OKC had more demoralizing, posterizing finishes than Portland has had ALL SEASON, and they came on OUR floor.  Enough is enough. 
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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 02/07/2012 11:45 AM

    The Thunder is a good team but, we beat ourselves last night we had good looks to stretch the lead in the 4th and we couldn't put them down and it also showed how valueble Raymond really is because we struggle getting in to our sets and Jamal wasn't the Jamal we needed because he had to run the team. I give credit to the Thunder D but I feel we beat ourselves last night and it also showed what LA's next step needs to be if he going to be Batman he needs to make plays down the stretch for himself and he's teamates you can say he was tired but, so are the other teams best players they fight through that and that's what LA needs to do is fight through it.
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 02/07/2012 11:48 AM

    i realize this isnt the playoffs but when we get screwed in a pivotal game every year with horrid calls it gets tiring. last year dallas was handed a game in round 1 where they had an ungodly amount of free throws compared to us, they played physical all series so much so taht aldridge and dre got tired of it and got in peoples faces. the 2 years previous you can pick a game in each series where pheonix was handed a game. if they dont call fair games then we will never get a championship end of discussion. what's the point in continuing? there should just be 6 teams in the league packed with all the all stars that play brackets every month if all we care about is high light dunks and flashy passes. just get rid of all the stuff like sportsmanship, competition, passion, effort, team play, chemistry, and just have blake griffen and KD take on lebron james and carmello anthony in dunk contests every night. whooptedo how exciting
  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 02/07/2012 11:50 AM

    maybe LA would fight if he got some cheers 39points and not 1 aldridge chant.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 02/07/2012 11:52 AM

    Just curious how could that ref from nearly half court have eyes that see that good.  He did not even ask for help!
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  1. EthanMoney
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    Posted 02/07/2012 1:18 PM

    If it comes down to a single call then you didn't win the game is like saying. If it comes down to one call then you didn't lose the game.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 02/07/2012 2:16 PM

    Agreed with Ethan, NOYB's premise for this post doesn't really make sense.

    BlazerManiac hit the nail on the head with the real problem... and especially when we have videocameras that are not only closer, but have better eyesight and perfect memory than the ref.

    And Stacks, just for the record, I was in section 119 cheering "All-star Aldridge" with my brother whenever I got the chance.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 02/07/2012 2:30 PM

    No one is saying that we should be able to depend on officials to win us the game... but we should be able to depend on the officials to do their job, and that job is NOT to make it an uphill battle for a team with less hype and reputation against a team with a higher rank and higher profile stars. The official's ACTUAL job is to be the last line of defense for fair and consistent play. The idea of a ref is that when no one else can clearly tell what happened, and on an impartial basis, it is the ref who needs to know what happened. And on an IMPARTIAL BASIS.

    In today's NBA, we have video cameras of a quality and quantity like never before. That means that officiating has a tool available to them, designed to make their job infinitely EASIER (like what the digital camera did for photography, the cell phone and internet for communication and information sharing, or even the automobile for transportation -- the tools that made the tasks unbelievably more efficient and consistent across the board), but instead David Stern and the officials treat this godsend of a tool like it's an immoral or unacceptable taboo, to be avoided entirely or used as sparingly as possible (like politicians talking about changing taxes or allowing gay rights -- to them, it's all about the profit margins, and "if it's not broken, don't fix it").

    Stern's got everyone in the NBA locked up on this issue, under punishment of fine. The only people that can ever hope to bring any sort of change about this have to be the fans, those of us that are outside the NBA looking in, but that still hold a collective bargaining chip. The problem is we're too divided or unmotivated to think anything will change about it. So, the more fans that can get worked up about this kind of thing (not this game, but the issue of inconsistent officiating in the NBA) and try to say something about it to bring other fans to the same level of understanding, the better it will be for the whole league, eventually.
    I am a fan of BLAZER BASKETBALL. Not drafts, not business, not trades, not David Stern. Just BLAZER BASKETBALL.
  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 02/07/2012 7:43 PM

    Blazers got robbed,I'm tired of officials making decisions based on popularity,Blazer247 is 100% correct when it comes down to it,if it was KD blocking Aldridge the call would've been a block,doesn't matter,we know who really won the game,the NBA announced it was a bad call,and as long as we don't miss the playoffs by 1 game it won't matter,the Blazers have a very good chance of winning a series with OKC and you can very well bet Portland is the last team OKC wants to play in the first round
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 02/07/2012 8:39 PM

    Could the Blazers have played better to win? Yes.
    Would they have won if the correct call would have been made? Yes.
    The thing that gets me and everyone else is that a call was made that dictated the outcome of a game and quite possibly playoff positioning, seeing how close 3-8 seeds in the west have been the last several years.
    Those type of calls need to be reviewed just like all the out of bounds calls were last night.

    It sucks but this is what you get being a small market team.
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  1. Fallen_Deity
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    Posted 02/07/2012 9:12 PM

    "Goaltending calls are not reviewable under the current NBA rules"  That is what the official statement of the NBA was so all the "They should/could have reviewed it" is nonsense.  I am as angry as anybody that that call was made but we need to try to start a movement to get that rule changed.  The rule being changed won't help take the sting away from this, but may provide us or other teams in the future a fair game.  I don't know if anybody saw the game Mark Cuban was fined for talking about the officiating, he was right that game was one of the worst games as far as calls go I have seen.  Side note, where were all the charging calls on Hardin driving out of control to the hoop?  On one drive he was almost backwards running a Blazer down and got a blocking call?  That was happening all night....
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  1. Fallen_Deity
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    Posted 02/07/2012 9:12 PM

    "Goaltending calls are not reviewable under the current NBA rules"  That is what the official statement of the NBA was so all the "They should/could have reviewed it" is nonsense.  I am as angry as anybody that that call was made but we need to try to start a movement to get that rule changed.  The rule being changed won't help take the sting away from this, but may provide us or other teams in the future a fair game.  I don't know if anybody saw the game Mark Cuban was fined for talking about the officiating, he was right that game was one of the worst games as far as calls go I have seen.  Side note, where were all the charging calls on Hardin driving out of control to the hoop?  On one drive he was almost backwards running a Blazer down and got a blocking call?  That was happening all night....
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 02/08/2012 8:33 AM

    Posted By Blazer247 on 02/07/2012 2:16 PM
    Agreed with Ethan, NOYB's premise for this post doesn't really make sense.

    BlazerManiac hit the nail on the head with the real problem... and especially when we have videocameras that are not only closer, but have better eyesight and perfect memory than the ref.

    And Stacks, just for the record, I was in section 119 cheering "All-star Aldridge" with my brother whenever I got the chance.

    you the man! im trying to save up for a playoff game this year, i'll join the efforts! in my experiences, if you start a chant in the 300s it has a better shot, some folks in the lower bowl just don't appriciate a good chant it seems. i think we as fans have something to work on ;)


    on subject, it was not just the goaltending call, the officials dictated the flow of the game, and i see them do it A LOT on nationally televised games. it's like they purposely control tempo to make the games close so more people tune in and stern gets a check for advertisements.

    as for mark cuban, he may very well have been right but i didnt hear him complaining last year in game 1 of the first round when dirk shot more free throws in a quarter than the whole blazers team did in the game. but thanks for the support mark, im sure paul allen will let you sleep with our trophy this year if you pay him enough.
  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 02/08/2012 3:30 PM

    I think Blazer247 said everything I could chime in with. I was under the impression that goaltending calls can't be reviewed, so thanks, Fallen, for confirming that. I want to know why. A block/goaltending call can clearly be confirmed or proven false through video review. A goaltending call gives a team the points for the basket. (That's what makes this call so much worse; it's not just a bad call, they literally handed OKC the points that would tie the game. Nobody had to put the ball in the basket to tie the game, but KD gets credit for a game-tying basket.) So, if a faulty goaltending call gives points to a team that didn't actually earn them, why can't it be reviewed? They can review who last touched a ball that went out of bounds. All that grants is possession. If officials are handing out points without being held accountable, that's a problem. In fact, there's no rhyme or reason to the logic anyway. One of the only things officials can review before the final 20 minutes is whether a shot was a 2-point or 3-point field goal. They do this because they never want a team to have a score that they didn't earn. What happened the other night? OKC was saved from a loss by being granted 2 points that they didn't earn. Inconsistent? Uh... YEAH!
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 02/08/2012 3:43 PM

    As a side note, I don't know how you can justify the statement "cannot depend on officials." No you can't guarantee they will always make the right calls. But if you can't at least hold officials to high standards, you end up with Globetrotters games. When was the last time you heard a basketball fan get excited about a Globetrotters game?
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