RUMOR: Andre & Batum for Parker?
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/21/2011 9:46 PM

    According to Jay Allen of 750 The Game (no link, just radio), the Blazers are close to sending out Andre Miller for another PG. The deal could be announced as early as tomorrow. 
    Who could it be? Throw out your most logical trade scenarios here and keep it locked for the latest updates!

    *UPDATE*
    Alex Kennedy of Hoopsworld reports-

     The San Antonio Spurs and Portland Trail Blazers nearly completed a blockbuster trade on Wednesday afternoon, but the deal fell apart in the late stages. San Antonio was prepared to ship Tony Parker and the #29 pick to Portland in exchange for Andre Miller, Nicolas Batum and the #21 pick, but the trade died when the Spurs insisted that Richard Jefferson somehow be included in the deal. Other players would have been included in the trade to make salaries work. Talks have quieted for now, but they could pick back up tomorrow if one of the teams has a change of heart. 

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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 06/21/2011 10:08 PM

    I feel like it could be steve nash... or brandon jennings possibly
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 06/21/2011 10:20 PM

    We would have to wait until after a new cba (30 days was what it took in old cba) before we could make an offer at him if he is waived by the team he goes to...right?
    I hate to see him go, but i trust in the teams decision. Hopefully this doesn't burn any bridges, I guess i wanted to see him retire a blazer.
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 06/21/2011 10:22 PM

    I would either say to Phoenix for Nash, Utah for Devin Harris, Sacramento for Beno Udrih, and something tells me maybe Baron Davis from Cavs, i dont know why..... or maybe just a higher draft pick.....
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 06/21/2011 10:23 PM

    For Brandon Jennings? Yes
    For Devin Harris? Really, is that the best we could do?

    As much as I like Nash, I see him retiring as a Sun. He simply draws too big of a crowd for PHX to let him go.

    People are also speculating it could be Tony Parker
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/21/2011 10:52 PM

    Finally found Jay tweeting about the trade rumor-

    Via PDXJay-
     Blazers reportedly closing in on at least 1 trade. Andre Miller likely involved. Unclear who would be coming to Portland. Stay tuned...

    The most interesting part of that tweet to me is the beginning "closing in on at LEAST one trade"-
    Man, if he's on the money, we could be in for an eventful couple of days.
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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 06/21/2011 10:55 PM

    Instead of the players I mentioned before, I kind of have a feeling the trade will be to move up in the draft into the top 10 picks
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/21/2011 10:59 PM

    I hope its for Devin Harris.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/21/2011 11:12 PM

    Posted By commontongue on 06/21/2011 10:59 PM
    I hope its for Devin Harris.

    After browsing the forums, you seem to be one of the few in favor of adding Harris.
    What are the aspects of Harris' game that you think would work here in Portland?
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  1. Lapinnoir
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    Posted 06/22/2011 12:11 AM

    Honestly i'm scared I hope this plays out well.  If Andre is really traded guys its up to us to really send him off the right way I don't know where he might be headed or how much he will be appreciated there but we need to show him that the work he put in here was not ignored and that he will be missed sorely.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 06/22/2011 4:18 AM

    I pay attention to rumors about as often as I wash my car.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 06/22/2011 7:23 AM

    >Nash
    <Parker
    <Harris
    Some of you may remember the trade scenario I proposed early last season involving the Orlando Magic.  The skinny had Nelson, Bass and Reddick coming to Portland.  I would still be in favor of such a move, and could see a scenario where both teams improve.  After getting booted in the first round by Atlanta, the Magic may be shopping, especially in lieu of their need to keep Howard happy.  Always better to deal out of conference where possible, particularly when parting ways with impactful players like Nic, Miller and Marcus
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  1. BlazerFan#24
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    Posted 06/22/2011 7:41 AM

    @ Tobyus , you must have a very dirty car then .

    and i really dont like the fact of throwing andre under the bus after all he's done for the organization
    wheather it was the 52 Points against dallas or his first dunk in 3 years or even the development of the L-Train Lob Pass i think he still could lead us to The TItle , i think he should retire in portland and we should be focused on dealing off people who are either struggling or have little potential (Babs,AJ)
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  1. numba7
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    Posted 06/22/2011 7:46 AM

    Nash- 2yrs older
    Kidd- 3yrs older
    Davis- 1yr younger/ injury prone
    Harris- 7 yrs younger
    Parker- 6yrs younger
    Lowry- 10yrs younger
    Felton- 8yrs younger
    D.Williams- 8yrs younger
    Paul- 9 yrs younger
    Jennings- 13yrs younger

    if Portland is trading for youth and skill level here it is. you know their skills now you know the age difference.
    I am a fan of Portland's big three. Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge and the newest Trail Blazers Gerald Wallace
  1. BDawg
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    Posted 06/22/2011 7:51 AM

    Difficult to find a willing trade partner when all you're willing to part with are players who are struggling or have little potential.  Making matters worse, Babbitt's contract is an eyesore.

    To get something, you have to be willing to give something up. 
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/22/2011 10:38 AM

    Posted By BDawg on 06/22/2011 7:23 AM
    >Nash


    Some of you may remember the trade scenario I proposed early last season involving the Orlando Magic.  The skinny had Nelson, Bass and Reddick coming to Portland.  I would still be in favor of such a move, and could see a scenario where both teams improve.  After getting booted in the first round by Atlanta, the Magic may be shopping, especially in lieu of their need to keep Howard happy.  Always better to deal out of conference where possible, particularly when parting ways with impactful players like Nic, Miller and Marcus


    I heard last night that the Magic and Hawks were about to do a deal around Josh Smith and Jameer Nelson.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/22/2011 11:19 AM

    Devin Harris is a Ball Player. He's an experienced point,without alot of ego,that can run a squad. He's decently quick,and isnt prone to many mistakes. When you look at his body of work, he hasnt always been put in situations that allow him total control of the plays. But when a play breaks down, he's more than capable of creating his own shot. His assist average would be higher if he actually had guys that could finish. He also has good size for a pg. I havent heard of any character flaws that would be detrimental to our family. All in all, i think that given the right circumstances and opportunity, this kid would thrive in a McMillan system.

    Devin               Kemba

    Wesley             Roy

    Gerald             Batum??

    LaMarcus          Faried/Pendergraph/Bismack

    Chris                Oden/and or whomever.... 

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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/22/2011 11:32 AM

    My hope is either:  Harris, Felton, Jennings. or Lowry
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/22/2011 1:16 PM

    I truly believe there is not a better point guard out there for Portland at this moment.  Really disliking this.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/22/2011 1:26 PM

    If Dallas taught us anything this year,its that each position are like fingers on a hand. All of them need to come together to make a fist.Your bench,if you're lucky, is the left hand.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/22/2011 1:37 PM

    Nobody has mentioned Billups as even a possibility.  This may be what the blazers have in mind.  Personally I do not think this would  be a good move,
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/22/2011 8:30 PM

    This was the proposed trade I'm assuming:

    Blazers Deal-
    Andre Miller, #21, Nic Batum

    Spurs Deal-
    Tony Parker, #29

    Deal fell apart this afternoon when the Spurs insisted that Richard Jefferson and his 3yr/$30 mill contract be included in the deal.

    It was Alex Kennedy of Hoopsworld who reported this-
     The San Antonio Spurs and Portland Trail Blazers nearly completed a blockbuster trade on Wednesday afternoon, but the deal fell apart in the late stages. San Antonio was prepared to ship Tony Parker and the #29 pick to Portland in exchange for Andre Miller, Nicolas Batum and the #21 pick, but the trade died when the Spurs insisted that Richard Jefferson somehow be included in the deal. Other players would have been included in the trade to make salaries work. Talks have quieted for now, but they could pick back up tomorrow if one of the teams has a change of heart. 

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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/22/2011 8:52 PM

    Damn.  I was really hoping this trade would go down.  I will say that the Spurs will very likely have a change of heart IF our new GM doesn't give in.  There is absolutely NO SHAME in having no trades this off-season at all.  Don't pull the trigger if we're getting Jefferson's awful contract here.
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  1. Belphegor
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    Posted 06/22/2011 9:47 PM

    Dont trade Batum  :(
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/22/2011 9:53 PM

    I really am failing to see how Portland can take in Richard Jefferson's contract to the point where the trade will still be worth it.  I'd rather have Jefferson than Rudy, but if we obtained his contract, we'd have a new list of problems on our hands, which is trying to get RID of that contract as well.  Not worth it.  It's trading a problem for a solution that has a new problem.  If the Spurs are going to say no to the original deal completely, then don't bother going for Parker.

    Parker and Jefferson is about 20m combined. Dre and Batum is about 8-9m combined.  Portland would have to find 11m in salary, or a bit less, inorder to make this deal.

    Wesley, Roy, Oden, LaMarcus Wallace are untouchable.  Camby will retire if traded (maybe not if it's to Texas,  but again, would the trade be worth it at that point?  Giving up 3 potential starters for Tony Parker and a crappy contract in Jefferson?).  Who can Portland get rid of that has a significant contract that can make this deal work?  We have the small trade exception for Jerryd Bayless, but we'd still be giving up our depth for a player that isn't a superstar.

    Portland cannot afford to do this deal if Jefferson is included.  I think the Spurs will realize that, and will either move on, keep parker, or make the original trade. I think they'll make the original trade honestly.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/22/2011 10:29 PM

    From David Aldridge-
     Before you send Tony Parker anywhere in draft trades, know that Spurs are asking teams to take RJeff as well. Not much interest so far.

    RJeff is owed a ton of money over 3 years and TP just signed an extension last summer so that's a lot of long term money to take on for any team.
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  1. J Danger
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    Posted 06/22/2011 10:33 PM

    Actually the totals only have to be within 25% of each other I believe so where as SA is sending us 20 mil we only have to send them 15. Add Rudy and the trade exception and we've got some magic baby! Id have to say, a starting 5 of Camby, Aldridge, Wallace, Matthews and Parker sounds deadly.
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  1. L-TRAIN12
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    Posted 06/23/2011 2:25 AM

    I highly doubt well get a young PG like jennings or lowry because teams are starting to build their lineup around them. The only PG we can get are the older ones like
    - nash
    - Parker
    - Harris
    - Billups
    nash is starting to get less minutes so he probably only be able to last a couple more years. billups is injury prone and old. Harris is not really worth because well lose some depth. So parker is probably the best PG available because he still can produce a lot more years. but spurs want to trade jefferson which makes things a whole lot more complicated. if we cant get parker i wouldnt mind keeping miller and drafting a PG. maybe that PG will be as succesful as rondo
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  1. Rein Man
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    Posted 06/23/2011 6:36 AM

    Here are my thoughts,  with some added ones,  What do you think?
    I do like Nash and what he cane bring to Portland, but agree he will most likely retire a Sun.

    I like Parker but don't know if he would be the right fit for the team.

    Devin Harris is an interesting Idea for Portland. If we got Raja Bell also. I know we would have to give up one of my Fav SG Rudy, but Bell is the 3 threat Rudy has partially been.

    Deron Williams would be interesting.

    What about bringing in a player like Aaron Brooks.

    Another thought would be Conley, reuniting him with Oden to help bring Oden back.

    CP3 would be a good fit and many alley oops with the plays we have.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 06/23/2011 10:44 AM

    Posted By J Danger on 06/22/2011 10:33 PM
    Actually the totals only have to be within 25% of each other I believe so where as SA is sending us 20 mil we only have to send them 15. Add Rudy and the trade exception and we've got some magic baby! Id have to say, a starting 5 of Camby, Aldridge, Wallace, Matthews and Parker sounds deadly.
    I believe the number to be 15%. 

    Curious as to why the Spurs don't consider the likely amnesty clause coming as a option for the Jefferson contract.  This deal may yet become reality, as Portland is in position of leverage with their expirings and willingness to spend.  Wise to stay pat until the 11th hour and see who drops their initial asking price the most.

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