Defending Rudy Fernandez... Kinda...
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  1. laric33
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    Posted 09/21/2010 1:04 PM

    I've been a huge Rudy fan ever since her came to Portland, I was a bit less than impressed with him and the drama this summer however, but I thought he probably does deserve a little defense for his actions.  Everyone talks of how he didn't perform nearly as well as he did his rookie year, but why would that be? Some have said his little back injury may have been the problem, and it very well could be.  I however think a little differently.  
        Did anyone else not notice the role that he played completly changed from his rookie year to last year? His rookie year it seemed like he had no leash. He could run, jump, dunk, shoot, and whatever.  He was a "wow" type player and thats why everyone fell in love with him so quickly.  This last year though he was more of a, "stand out there and shoot 3's when you get the ball" type of player. Do you think he is the one that chose to do that? I don't think so. From watching him his rookie year and in the olympics, he seems to me like he is a running player who builds his momentum  off of drives and dunks.  That then opens him up for the 3 and then he lets those fly.  For anyone who has ever played basketball, it's hard to get hot from just shooting 3's. It may take a few shots to get going, but for Fernandez who is supposed to be a 3 point king, after you miss your first three 3 pointers you get pulled from the game, so you don't have the chance to even get hot. 
        So, like I was saying before, it seems like he now has a leash, but he needs to be let loose to get going, and that isn't by just going out and standing there waiting to shoot a 3. I can see where he was frustrated after this season. I don't agree with the way he handled it, but I can see his frustration. Who of us wouldn't be frustrated with this situation.  Being let loose your first year and showing the world what you can do, and then immediatly the next season a leash is thrown on you and your held back and all you are now is 3 point shooter. Yes he is very fortunate to be in the NBA and yes he has it pretty good in Portland, so he shouldn't have been complaining so much.  He was probably just trying to get that leash off and be let loose again so he could show once again what kind of player he can be.
        I for one would love to see him back in Portland, and hopefully he will change his attitude, but I also hope Portland will realize what type of player he is, and allow him to be that player. And just for the record, he did recently just announce he will be excited to play for Portland this season, and it looks like he will be showing up for training camp. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=1381&line=139005&spln=1
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  1. laric33
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    Posted 09/21/2010 1:09 PM

    Let me know what you think... Do I have a point or am I just blinded because I was such a big Rudy fan?
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 09/21/2010 1:17 PM

    I don't think you're wrong. I don't think most people blame him for being frustrated (I don't anyway). I DO blame him for the way he acted though. Things that should have been handled behind closed doors were made very public and the Blazers were damaged because of it (his vaule was reduced - the blazers were unable to trade an unhappy player). Also, I didn't like the way him and his agent played hard ball but had a short list of teams he would like to be traded to, and then when a deal was agreed to in principal - he killed it. It's not his frustration with his role that's hard to understand... it's that he has over and over again put rudy fernandez ahead of the blazers. That I can't go for. I think a lot of people have a hard time swallowing that after how far this team has come the last few years. That's my take. Know what I mean?
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 09/21/2010 1:19 PM

    + when he got a chance to start at the 2 in the playoffs, he sucked. He didn't want to just stand around and nobody else (including Nate) did then either - but THEN, when he got his chance, that's what he did. Who knows why. Attitude? Sore back? Too much pressure? Who knows, but it didn't work.
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  1. laric33
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    Posted 09/21/2010 1:30 PM

    Ya I definetely agree that he and his agent handled his frustration very badly, and his demands were very out of line. Like I said I don't agree with the way he handled everything, I mostly wanted to point out why he even got to that point. And yes he didn't play good at all in his playing time in the playoffs, except for the last game, when he was second high scorer behind Webster, and how many minutes did he play. I remeber him going in hitting two maybe three 3's in a row and immediatly getting pulled because I think he turned the ball over. Then very much later in the game he was put back in and hit like three more 3's. Of course he has off days, and when that happens sit him on the bench, I agree with that. But on those days where he couldn't miss, like that game he should be in for much longer than 20 minutes, especially when only Webster and him where the ones putting points on the board. I thought that happened a lot with him this season. He needs to be played according to that day, If he's hot, then let him play, if not sit him down. I don't think thats how it worked last season. But I for sure agree with you. He was way out of line.
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  1. truebluefan
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    Posted 09/21/2010 2:09 PM

    Your not wrong I would love to see the leash be taken off the whole team. Remember that last year Miller and Nate were at odds over this very thing. Miller didn't want to just run half court offense he wanted to push the ball and nate is not a running coach. For that very reason Rudy could not play his game.
  1. BDawg
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    Posted 09/21/2010 7:48 PM

    Very good points.  We should all remember where "assuming" things led us with the Kevin Pritchard situation.  I for one, jumped the gun on that one.  Very seldom, if ever, this summer do I remember hearing ANYTHING that came STRAIGHT from Rudy's mouth.  How much of what we were being fed thru the various media outlets, had already been "filtered" or "doctored" by those with personal agendas?  Twisted and spun in such a way as to mislead this fanbase.  Believe me, I am in no way defending Fernandez, nor am I on the attack either.  I admittedly do not have the necessary insight to form an INFORMED and/or OBJECTIVE opinion.  I am, however, a huge fan of this team and support whatever is in its best interests moving forward. 
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/21/2010 8:51 PM

    No those are really good points, and he was killer that rookie year, 3pt record for rookies.
    But the thing that really got me, on the negative side of this, was the comment that someone posted on here that stated, that rudy would rather sit on the bench the next two years rather than play. Now like you guys are saying, idk if he said this but if he did, in my eyes thats about the most childish and selfish things you could do as a professional athlete.
    I mean i for one am an athlete, currently trying to land a spot on a local college team, and i just know that id do just about anything to play professional basketball, and for him to talk about it like its an everyday thing, shows that he's lost respect for the game, and perhaps doesnt take it as serious, and maybe that even comes from his dominant rookie season, but whatever it is, i made up my mind about 2 seconds after reading that.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 09/22/2010 11:20 AM

    The "Leash" is on players who come off the bench to perform a role and if they can't perform that role the leash will get tighter and tighter. Rudy isn't a franchise player, he is a role player and if he can perform the role that Nate wants him to perform, great. I think he wants to have the ball in his hands more, like how he did on His National team and at times during the first year in the league. This won't happen on this team - Nate seems to want him for his ability to hit threes, if he doesn't do this (happily and consistently) He won't work here. He should work on being what Nate want's him to be and Not what he want's to be (while on Nates team). I say keep the leash on Him and Tell him to work at being that great three point threat for the team he is in a contract with. I don't really care about what he was in his rookie year, or how he want's to be used, (Life moves on from the past and things change) I think he needs to shut up and do what his coach wants him to do. He will have a happy crowd cheering for him if this is his attitude - and if he hits those timely three's.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 09/22/2010 12:41 PM

    I know I don't like  agents this summer.
    I've always liked Rudy, but don't see how he is going to be happy here with the addition of Matthews and Williams. Nates system is not going to change. With the recent news that he has changed his tune, I'm curious to see fans reaction to him. I still see Rudy gone by the trade deadline.
     Imo, the change of heart is Rudy and his agent realizing that they did nothing all summer to make other teams want him. Agree 100 % that when Rudy was given more time last season, he did not take advantage of it.
    We'll see what happens.
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  1. Lenwen76
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    Posted 09/22/2010 12:46 PM

    I am of the mindset that Rudy himself never publicly stated anything .. It was his agent ..

    Every other player who ever demanded a trade did so personally ..

    It is my opinion that it was Rudy's agent who tried to put the pressure on the Blazers .. only to not be handed anything from which they were looking to get.

    Now Rudy is publicly (personally) stating he is happy to be returning as a Trail Blazer.

    I for one have always wished him the best in his NBA career and now that he will remain a blazer (quite possibly) I am just that much more vested in his eventual MVP caliber style of play. (Worlds was an eye opener to his talent for alotta people)

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 09/22/2010 1:40 PM

    Posted By Kim~ on 09/22/2010 12:41 PM
    I know I don't like  agents this summer.
    I've always liked Rudy, but don't see how he is going to be happy here with the addition of Matthews and Williams. Nates system is not going to change. With the recent news that he has changed his tune, I'm curious to see fans reaction to him. I still see Rudy gone by the trade deadline.
     Imo, the change of heart is Rudy and his agent realizing that they did nothing all summer to make other teams want him. Agree 100 % that when Rudy was given more time last season, he did not take advantage of it.
    We'll see what happens.
    Imo...YOUR OPINION...is spot on.  See Kim, we CAN agree!  :)  I am anxious to see just how Rudy is used now, before what I believe to be the inevitable.  Will he be showcased?  Perhaps more PT?  If Rudy follows thru and reports to camp ready to go, and with a positive mindset, what considerations do you feel he should be given...in terms of playing time?  Should he be viewed the way he was to start last season?  This will be VERY interesting.  I honestly feel that both camps are now working together to resolve their differences, and the end result will be Rudy moving on, just as Kim said.  That being the case, shouldn't he see some action?  Shouldn't we "advertise" the goods?  What are all of YOUR thoughts on this. 

    I too, am anxious to see the reaction #5 gets from the crowd at the RG.  It may happen as soon as the FanFest.  Stay tuned!!
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  1. ottomatic19
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    Posted 09/22/2010 1:54 PM

    i agree with you but no matter what happens it will be better if he went to another team and either started for a team or was a solid back up and he wont get that here
  1. Kim~
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    Posted 09/22/2010 2:05 PM

    BDawg, advertising does not win championships. 

    IF Rudy can contribute,and the team is winning, I have no problem with him playing.  But I do not see him as a long term fit here with the addition of Matthews and Williams. I'm seriously anxious to see Williams, and would rather he start getting his groove with the team sooner than later just to showcase Rudy.
    I would rather see Rudy sit until he is traded, than watch the team lose games because of sub par effort on both ends of the court.. ...
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 09/22/2010 2:12 PM

    Exactly!  My thought here was Portland's lingering need for a RELIABLE shooter.  Rudy has been anything BUT that recently.  However, he CURRENTLY may be the closest the Blazers have to meeting that particular need.  I was merely posing the question.  If a situation calls for a shooter, would you look PAST Rudy at this point, to another player maybe that hasn't even played a game yet?  Interesting, at the very least.

    By no means was I advocating using Rudy to simply bolster his value, and at the expense of the team.  That would be foolish, at best
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 09/22/2010 2:33 PM

    I could look past Rudy.
     As anti-rookies as I was this summer, I think the Blazers got 3 gems. Williams fell off the radar when he left Duke. He could be the steal of the draft. Thank you Blazer scouting !!!
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 09/22/2010 2:50 PM

    Posted By Kim~ on 09/22/2010 2:33 PM
    I could look past Rudy.
     As anti-rookies as I was this summer, I think the Blazers got 3 gems. Williams fell off the radar when he left Duke. He could be the steal of the draft. Thank you Blazer scouting !!!
    The sooner he gels,the better for the Blazers.
    You and I are in complete agreement with regard to EW too.  I don't remember a rookie I was more anxious to see on the floor.  The Fernandez saga continues.  My biggest fear is that somehow he becomes a distraction.  Maybe not even so much with his teammates, but more so with the coaching staff, BECAUSE of the questions that come with his presence on the bench.  I long for this to be in the rear view, one way or another

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  1. Crim
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    Posted 09/22/2010 3:08 PM

    I felt bad for Rudy this summer after the Fiba's got going, he showed himself for what he truly was, a young man desperate to feel worthy in a land of giants and big names. Even on his own team, where he's suppose to thrive, he didn't ever look like the best player on the floor (i didn't watch the final game where he scored 31 points, that may have been the exception) but at times he seemed the same player we saw him at the end of the season, and even the Spanish coach seemed to have a leash on him, pulling him after a few errant shovel passes and the like. Honestly I think it was just a Sophmore wall, and I believe this next year is a huge test for him, I hope he works hard and gets to the next level, wherever he goes. He's an exciting player to have in the NBA, and the league would be losing some entertainment value without him.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 09/23/2010 4:02 PM

    I just don't understand how a player can be so frustrated at everyone else when the player himself didn't perform? He was given every opportunity to shine in Portland. He got his 25 minutes a night in 2010, he started in the playoffs, yet he punked out. He choked under pressure and frankly looked like he didn't even want to be out there in the games against Phoenix. Instead of blaming everyone else, Rudy needs to look in the mirror and re-evaluate his actions.
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 09/24/2010 4:46 PM

    Posted By ClydeFrog on 09/23/2010 4:02 PM
     He got his 25 minutes a night in 2010, he started in the playoffs, yet he punked out. He choked under pressure and frankly looked like he didn't even want to be out there in the games against Phoenix. Instead of blaming everyone else, Rudy needs to look in the mirror and re-evaluate his actions.

    I think this is something he reluctantly did and came to terms with this summer, it wasn't a smoot ride for him playing for his national team, I saw him get yanked out of the exhibition game against the U.S. and get reemed by Sergio the coach. But i think Bella got her groove back towards the end of the summer, and i think it will translate into training camp much like it did his rookie year, I THINK that was a sophmore wall some euro players go through when they come to the states, and I THINK he can make a difference as a 7th or 8th man on this team next season.
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  1. Hopman27
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    Posted 09/24/2010 5:39 PM

    yeah, you got a point.
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  1. Brandon Weinant
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    Posted 09/26/2010 7:21 AM

    as much as rudy didn't do what he should have done in the playoffs i seem to remember everytime he had a decent game he'd have some sort of injury.

    i personally think that he was more hurt than people knew last season. he was okay to play. but still in pain.
    i dont however like the comments that came from the fernandez camp. blame his agent blame whomever. they represent RUDY. if it was his agents doing or whomever that said those things. he should seperate himself from those people. find new representation. and above all else... watch what you say to the cameras.

    rudy is a good palyer and can create for his teamates. but hes not the #1 option to do so.
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    go around the closing defender.
    make a play.

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  1. mario250775
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    Posted 09/26/2010 1:13 PM

    I still like him, but I think think that He Does not know what he want ?! 

    so we will see what happened ?,

    for me the best way is to trade him for good player or maybe get him last chance and wait what he can bring to the team now!  

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