Knicks offer Wilson Chandler for Rudy?
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  1. Blazingdownunder
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    Posted 08/20/2010 8:59 AM

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68774/20100820/knicks_offer_chandler_for_fernandez/

    So how's everyone feeling if this were to go down. I think Chandler still shows promise and potential, and can play behind Roy or Batum. It is also alledged that the Celtics and Bulls are offering first round picks for Rudy.

    Seeing how the situation involving Rudy only seems to be declining, i think if this is a legitimate offer Cho would be wise to pull the trigger. If not for Chandler to become part of the Portland's future, but as perhaps as a trade chip.

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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/20/2010 9:13 AM

    I think I would pass on Chandler. He was one of Isiah's picks and I think they really reached to take him 23rd. Isiah has something like the midas touch. Everything he touches turns to poop. The Celtics and Bulls picks won't be great, but an extra first round pick could be useful to package with ours and move up to a lottery pick like Portland likes to do. Either way, none of these options are equal value for Rudy though. The way Cho was talking the other day, I don't think he's going to let Rudy go for less than fair value. Those offers are attempts for those other teams to basically rip us off because Rudy has left us with no leverage. I do think Rudy would fit in great in NY though. I might be inclined to try to get NY's first pick instead of Chandler.
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 08/20/2010 11:22 AM

    I would like this trade since I think chandler is a good player who is better than rudy and also from what ive heard he hasnt had any character issues in his career.  But I dont like this trade because of the blazers current situation.  If they got chandler there would not be enough minutes at small forward and shooting gaurd for roy, Chandler, Batum, Williams, Babbit, and Mathews.  For that reason, like jason, I would rather have New Yorks first round pick if they are willing to give it up.
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 08/20/2010 11:24 AM

    I guess they could aquire him just as a trade chip though, But if we just traded one player who has to be traded for another, I dont see how our situation would be any better than it is right now with rudy.
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  1. Goonie
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    Posted 08/20/2010 11:37 AM

    Im with ya cransford...But a pick would be better to free up any logjam it might create, or use him as a trade chip. I wouldn't mind having chandler, but we couldnt get NY's pick till like 2014, because the Knicks didn't have a first round pick last draft and its a rule that teams cannot go consecutive years without having a first round pick. It's called the "Ted Stepian" rule. And Houston owns the rights to the Knicks 2012 pick, and have the rights to swap picks with Knicks next June. We could try to do a 3 team deal, send chandler somewhere, NY gets Rudy, we get a decent first rounder. It's all in this ESPN article I read earlier this morning. Heres the link...

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/286/knicks-in-the-mix-for-rudy-fernandez
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  1. Shawn503
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    Posted 08/20/2010 12:25 PM

    we have too many SF's. I would rather have a first round pick from the bulls. They are not a good team, so the pick would be at least mid first round if not in the lottery. 
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/20/2010 1:39 PM

    I don't think the Bulls are going to be lottery this year.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/20/2010 1:39 PM

    I don't think the Bulls are going to be lottery this year.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 08/20/2010 2:18 PM

    Look like O-live is trying to stir up panic again over Oden being ready by training camp. Until I see Oden and Pryz, I am partial to trading Rudy for a big man. 
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 08/20/2010 3:22 PM

    I think your right Kim. I like Wilson Chandler's potential but I would rather see rudy for Anthony Randolph...
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    Posted 08/20/2010 3:51 PM

    So far it seems Cho is doing the right thing. I bet after the FIBA World Championships it will be easier to trade Rudy for fair value. Hope he does well. Right now Spain is actually favored to win it. 
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  1. Jacobeam
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    Posted 08/20/2010 4:22 PM

    I'd prefer a pick over anything. Its free (for this year at least), doesn't create a logjam anywhere and gives you a lot of flexibility, whether you trade it or use the draft pick for an urgent need. A lot can change in a year, so I'd like to be able to wait and see what we really need for the future.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/20/2010 8:33 PM

    Posted By Shawn503 on 08/20/2010 12:25 PM
    we have too many SF's. I would rather have a first round pick from the bulls. They are not a good team, so the pick would be at least mid first round if not in the lottery. 
    The Bulls will overtake Boston in the east this season and possibly even give Miami a run for their money. 

    Like most, I would rather see a first rounder come back for Rudy.  Keep in mind, nothing will happen until after the rest of the league sees Fernandez vs the NBA...I mean, USA (LOL!) this Sunday.  That will more or less be an audition, and a chance for Rudy to, on some level, redeem himself.  If he plays, and plays well, his value should go up a little.  He didn't play in Spain's last game.  Back problems.  Vegas odds anybody?

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  1. xvillainx_1
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    Posted 08/21/2010 7:01 AM

    there was already a thread like this...
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 08/21/2010 10:39 AM

    Posted By abarrer3 on 08/20/2010 3:22 PM
    I think your right Kim. I like Wilson Chandler's potential but I would rather see rudy for Anthony Randolph...
    I like Randolph and think he has a lot of potential, but if the blazers where to get him we would have too many bigs.  We have Camby, Oden, and Pryzbilla at C, and we have Aldridge, Cunningham, and pendergraph at Pf.  Add in Randolph and thats 7 big men, and 4 of them would want big minutes.  Thats why I think the only trade that makes sense besides getting a draft pick would be to package Rudy and either Miller or Bayless for a better, younger pg.  It might also help us to trade Babitt because there are not that many minutes to go around at small forward or shooting gaurd.

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 08/21/2010 11:26 AM

    While Chandler is a nice player, he has no minutes here. If it is going to be Rudy traded alone, then we need to just get a good pick in return or he could be used as a throw-in in a consolidation type of trade.
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 08/21/2010 2:12 PM

    They had a huge offseason and were a playoff team already.  they're top 10 in the league
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 08/21/2010 2:12 PM

    Posted By Torey Jones on 08/21/2010 2:12 PM
    They had a huge offseason and were a playoff team already.  they're top 10 in the league

    The Bulls that is
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  1. Alex Pierott
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    Posted 08/21/2010 11:35 PM

    dont punch me in the face but id take him and trade batum and bayless for Parker,Harris etc i think Chandler is better then Batum just watch em chandler is a underated
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  1. Alex Pierott
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    Posted 08/21/2010 11:35 PM

    dont punch me in the face but id take him and trade batum and bayless for Parker,Harris etc i think Chandler is better then Batum just watch em chandler is a underated
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  1. Alex Pierott
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    Posted 08/21/2010 11:35 PM

    dont punch me in the face but id take him and trade batum and bayless for Parker,Harris etc i think Chandler is better then Batum just watch em chandler is a underated
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 08/22/2010 9:49 AM

    Posted By Alex Pierott on 08/21/2010 11:35 PM
    dont punch me in the face but id take him and trade batum and bayless for Parker,Harris etc i think Chandler is better then Batum just watch em chandler is a underated

      If Chandler was better than Batum then Knicks would know that and wouldn't be willing to trade him for Rudy.  Remember he was with the Knicks so of course he looked good and got numbers.
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  1. Alex Pierott
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    Posted 08/23/2010 2:16 AM

    its the knicks they are retarted
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  1. MT''s Back
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    Posted 08/23/2010 5:47 PM

    Pull the trigger Cho! Chandler is a good fit!
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 08/24/2010 8:04 AM

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    Posted 08/23/2010 5:47 PM

    Pull the trigger Cho! Chandler is a good fit!
    this is a horrible fit. here's our current roster options:

    possible sg's: Brandon, Wesley, Elliot, Jerryd, Rudy.
    possible sf's: Nicolas, Dante, Wesley, Luke, Rudy.

    these are not a positions we need to fill, nor are there any minutes available for someone like Chandler (for Rudy either, at this point).

    these are the wishes of people who want to make a trade just in order to make a trade. there's no logic here. look, we're all bored, but that doesn't mean we should go trading just to break up the monantany of the off season.

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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/24/2010 9:24 AM

    Posted By Kassandra on 08/24/2010 8:04 AM
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    Posted 08/23/2010 5:47 PM

    Pull the trigger Cho! Chandler is a good fit!
    this is a horrible fit. here's our current roster options:

    possible sg's: Brandon, Wesley, Elliot, Jerryd, Rudy.
    possible sf's: Nicolas, Dante, Wesley, Luke, Rudy.

    these are not a positions we need to fill, nor are there any minutes available for someone like Chandler (for Rudy either, at this point).

    these are the wishes of people who want to make a trade just in order to make a trade. there's no logic here. look, we're all bored, but that doesn't mean we should go trading just to break up the monantany of the off season.

    ~ Kassandra

    I think this post is about an option to get rid of Rudy more than it is about just making a trade for the sake of making a trade. I'm not sure Chandler is the best option to get rid of Rudy for the same reasons as you - but it is an option - and fun to kick around. We do HAVE to make one more trade (or at least one more move). Either we trade him (for a player or a pick), release him, or ignore him. Wether we like it or not, Rudy can't come back and he has to be dealt with. Even his agent said too much damage has been done and Rudy won't be coming back. That's the reason people are talking about Chandler. There was a rumor that a deal had been talked about. It's probibly not because people necessarily want Chandler, or ever would have thought of him as a Blazer otherwise.



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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 08/24/2010 4:45 PM

     I think this post is about an option to get rid of Rudy more than it is about just making a trade for the sake of making a trade. I'm not sure Chandler is the best option to get rid of Rudy for the same reasons as you - but it is an option - and fun to kick around. We do HAVE to make one more trade (or at least one more move). Either we trade him (for a player or a pick), release him, or ignore him. Wether we like it or not, Rudy can't come back and he has to be dealt with. Even his agent said too much damage has been done and Rudy won't be coming back. That's the reason people are talking about Chandler. There was a rumor that a deal had been talked about. It's probibly not because people necessarily want Chandler, or ever would have thought of him as a Blazer otherwise.

    really? that's what this post is about? i thought a post titled "Knicks offer Wilson Chandler for Rudy?" was about portland trading Rudy and getting another player. hmm ... not sure how i could have made such a mistake!

    actually, truth be told, we don't need to make a move at all, as Patrick is not signed. but what you're basically saying about moving Rudy, one way or another, is basically the same thing as saying ice is cold. i don't know of a person here who doesn't actually know that.

    i guess for some people it's fun to talk about; though i'd rather stick to facts, rather than speculaiton and conjecture.

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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/24/2010 6:06 PM

    Posted By Kassandra on 08/24/2010 4:45 PM
     I think this post is about an option to get rid of Rudy more than it is about just making a trade for the sake of making a trade. I'm not sure Chandler is the best option to get rid of Rudy for the same reasons as you - but it is an option - and fun to kick around. We do HAVE to make one more trade (or at least one more move). Either we trade him (for a player or a pick), release him, or ignore him. Wether we like it or not, Rudy can't come back and he has to be dealt with. Even his agent said too much damage has been done and Rudy won't be coming back. That's the reason people are talking about Chandler. There was a rumor that a deal had been talked about. It's probibly not because people necessarily want Chandler, or ever would have thought of him as a Blazer otherwise.

    really? that's what this post is about? i thought a post titled "Knicks offer Wilson Chandler for Rudy?" was about portland trading Rudy and getting another player. hmm ... not sure how i could have made such a mistake!

    , as Patrick is not signed. but what you're basically saying about moving Rudy, one way or another, is basically the same thing as saying ice is cold. i don't know of a person here who doesn't actually know that.

    i guess for some people it's fun to talk about; though i'd rather stick to facts, rather than speculaiton and conjecture.

    ~ Kassandra


    ummm, I was kind of thinking you might be the only person on here who doesn't know that. Why else would you be surprised people want to discuss the Chandler for Rudy deal which, by the way, the only reason they offered Chandler for Rudy is because they know we have to get rid of him. Also, why would you say us having to move Rudy is like saying ice is cold, and then in the same comment say "actually, truth be told, we don't need to make a move at all"? Which is it? If you have such a problem with people discussing 'speculation and conjecture', why do you read and comment on any posts about trades? That's why I wrote what I wrote. Go back and read it again, really really slow. You'll get it. lol.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/24/2010 6:11 PM

    p.s. -

    "Kincks offer Wilson Chandler for Rudy" = an option to get rid of Rudy.
     
    "Knicks offer Wislon Chandler for Rudy" is NOT = "these are the wishes of people who want to make a trade just in order to make a trade. there's no logic here. look, we're all bored, but that doesn't mean we should go trading..."

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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 08/24/2010 9:22 PM

    wow Jason, you sure are taking things personally. your blind, erroneous assumptions about my statements aside, this thread is about a trade for Rudy in receipt for a specific player. that's it, plain and simple. whatever else you want to claim it as is laughably incorrect.

    of course, your comments appear to show you to not accept any one's differing opinion. news flash: not everyone agrees with you. maybe if you read very very closely to the other posts, you'll get that. in the meantime, if you can't handle a relatively healthy exchange of ideas and opinions, i doubt the internet is an appropriate place for you.

    you are not correct just because you say you are -- there's absolutely no validity in that. obviously, you're attempt to insult my comprehension is an extreme failure as well as a horrid joke (you don't receive the academic accolades i have without having extremely excellent comprehension).

    to answer your question, and as you said, Rudy cannot (and from his agent's words, "will not") return to the team. on the other hand, the blazers have not signed Patrick. that's a fact. neither one of us knows if Patrick will be signed regardless of the Rudy situation.

    finally, you gave my sister and a a huge laugh when you insinuated that i actually had a problem talking about conjecture and speculation. as i said, i'd rather deal in fact. again, perhaps it's you who needs to read things more closely. don't worry, you'll get it.

    oh, and this is a message board, not real life. try not to take things too seriously. believe me, it will serve you better in the long run! lmao!

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  1. t bone
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    Posted 08/24/2010 10:10 PM

    The Bulls are a 4 or 5 seed this year behind Miami, Orlando, Atlanta and maybe Boston.
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    Posted 08/24/2010 11:29 PM

    Posted By Kassandra on 08/24/2010 9:22 PM

    (you don't receive the academic accolades i have without having extremely excellent comprehension).

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    So what academic accolades do you have? Just curious.

    Don't you guys love arguing on the internet? It's funny how many people seem to know what someone is thinking regardless of what they typed. These same people seem to know what your body language looks like too when you are typing.
    I think you two should just agree to disagree. At least we are not at yahoo where complete idiots just resort to racism as the solution for everything.

    Posted By t bone on 08/24/2010 10:10 PM
    The Bulls are a 4 or 5 seed this year behind Miami, Orlando, Atlanta and maybe Boston.
    Are you in the right thread?
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    Posted 08/24/2010 11:31 PM

    Oops, and I meant that without taking sides or being sarcastic or trying to belittle either one of you. I'm just bored.
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  1. MT''s Back
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    Posted 08/25/2010 12:56 AM

    Chandler is a good fit... give us some scoring off the bench.. he averaged 15 ppg last season at 6'8.. good defender
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/25/2010 7:08 AM

    @TomL... I agree, that got pretty lame pretty fast.

    @Kassandra... Please accept my apologies if what I said felt personal to you. My original post was not meant that way at all.

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