Chris Paul is a spoiled child. And we should not consider him Good for our team.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 07/27/2010 12:54 AM

    Hanging out with the other spoiled children a.k.a. James and company is bound to rub off and I think it has been manifested in Paul's attitude. Do we want a kid to cry to management about winning and making a change when it is assumed that every  management team wants this.
    People will say Paul just wants to win and this is good, well I think it is a little more than that. I think it's about  POWER and wanting to rule everything around your including your bosses. Kinda like when Kobe cried about leaving the lakers if they didn't do what he wanted them to do. I'm going to take my toys and go home.
    I'm not saying players shouldn't have suggestions about their team, what I am saying is that people should have more class and maturity about their suggestions. It is a business and one is free to leave a job, but it's how you do it that shows if you have character. In my opinion being loyal isn't trumped by money or power it is the goal. Money and power have kinda ruined many beautiful things in this world, I think it would be a sad day to put that little Napoleon on our team.
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 07/27/2010 9:54 AM

    Was Napoleon 6' tall? Really? Man I always thought he was considered short. Maybe I'm shorter than I thought at 5'9". If it was about Power, Portland would not have been on his list. It would have been New York, Orlando, Dallas or bust. Portland is not the place for power, but it is the place for loyal fans. Even with Chris Paul their games are empty. I would want out of that too. Losing, no fans, and a management team (outside of the coach) that really doesn't care anymore is not a good situation. I think he'd do fine in Portland because the character here is already set in place and there is a coach in place that doesn't go well with Prima Donnas and Paul knows that since they've worked together on the Olympic team. When he threw Portland in that mix, he had reasons for it and they weren't simply B-Roy and LA.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/27/2010 10:30 AM

    I don't know how you can call him a spoiled child. Would you want to waste away your prime basketball years fighting for the 8th spot out West? Did you know the only offseason move NO made this year was re-signing Aaron Gray? I'd be upset if I were CP3 too. They didn't have to deal Chandler for Okafor who not only is more expensive which is causing a lot of their financial troubles but is a worse fit with Paul. KG, one of the most loyal NBA players ever, even said he regrets sticking with the Wolves for so long, waiting and pleading for them to surround him with talent to compete for a title. Paul isn't smearing New Orleans' name in the media or holding an hour long press conference on ESPN to bolt to another city. He's saying nothing negative and quietly requesting a trade.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/27/2010 10:39 AM

    He is acting like a spoiled child. Just like Lebron.  Nothing against his playing skill.
    But do we really want to go through this again if he isnt happy in Portland 2 years from now? 
    Food for thought.
    I'm not saying Paul isnt good, or that Dre is the best ever.

    But seriously Hawes , can we get the name and year of the last nba champion who won with a pg who was there in his first season?  And the last champion who asked their all-star to change his body/ game every off season to fit with the new pg they brought in?

    I think the answer speaks for itself.  I'm tired of Blazer nation being so all over Pauls jock the last couple of weeks. Lets see how training camp goes. Its chess not checkers. The Blazers are desperate to make a move.

    What was the Blazer records with a starting unit of Miller,Roy,Nic, LA and Camby last season?
    Richardson ended our season, and that weakness was fixed with Matthews .
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/27/2010 10:54 AM

    Not desperate ^
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 07/27/2010 11:02 AM

    I'm sorry but if I here that we have a legitimate chance to add a future hall of fame point guard to the team I will be all over his jock. That's like saying you wont wait in line where a guy says he's trading his Lamborghini for a middle class car like a Toyota.

    But I'll answer for Hawes. Ron Harper 95-96 season, attained from the LA Lakers. Then again Ron Harper in 99-00 season with the LA Lakers.

    And for your second question...I think you're referring to B-Roy. He does it on his own. He slimmed down in weight to one be more explosive and two easier on his knees. He also realizes he needs to get better playing off the ball so he's working on that.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/27/2010 12:33 PM

    10 to 15 years ??
    Those days are over my friend.  
     If the toyota runs, and I knew the lamborghini was only leased for 2 years and I could have problems with it, I would take the toyota, they last 10 + years easily.  I would rather have the car that runs for 10, then the fancy one for 2.
    But that's me. I'm not a fan of rewarding bad behavior by spoiled children. I also dont have Mr Allens $ to spend.
    We dont need CP3  to win a championship.
     Adding  Matthews alone would have made a difference in the Phoenix series, and the Blazers season outcome last year .
    Look at the Blazer record last year after Camby was signed. And one starting lineup was made Dre,Roy,Nic, LA and Marcus. It was our bench that needed improvement, which has happened. 
    Roy would not have to keep changing (even on his own is influenced by exit interviews, I'm sure ) if the Blazers would make a decision and stick with it. 

     

     

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/27/2010 1:16 PM

    Also, I don't get the title of this thread.
    'Chris Paul is a spoiled child and we should not consider him. Good for our team.'
    We are considering him. In fact, we reportedly put in the best offer for Chris.
    The fact that we made Paul's list of teams shows me he would stay in Portland. He would not be a rental.

    Adding Matthews would have been the difference in the PHX series? I disagree, esp with a hobbled Nic and Roy, but maybe so. Either way, we wouldn't get past LA. The goal shouldn't be to just reach the WCF, we need to win the whole dang thing! I've been a fan for 20 years now and I'm hungry for a championship, nothing else is really going to suffice. Chris Paul is the type of player, added to this current roster, who could help turn that dream into a reality.

    PS- Thanks Bertram for answering that question!
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 07/27/2010 1:42 PM

    Can I also mention that both times Ron Harper three-peated? Not saying he's elite, but he contributed to those championships. As far as the Lamborghini goes, I see some that were made in the 80s still being driven around without black smoke coming out the back of it. Those are top of the line car parts..just like Chris Paul a top of the line point guard. Besides we pretty much have a point guard right now that is good for two more years. Andre Miller. Your telling me that his 2 years left here are more valuable than his contract coupled with Joels to bring in a hall of fame type point guard for the next decade? Andre is great and the team is great.

    As far as Roy goes again, someone does need to tell him he needs to improve on certain areas. His game would be so much better if he learned to play off the ball. He's still improving his game with the ball but superstars add a new part of their game every offseason. That's what superstars do. And that's what our superstar is doing.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 07/27/2010 1:56 PM

    I don't think Roy is learning to play off the ball to fit into any 'system', he's learning to play off the ball to enhance his overall game. Great players don't need to fit into a system, the system conforms to them,
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 07/27/2010 2:06 PM

    My main point was not about if we want Chris or if he is a great point but his attitude. Obviously it is MY interpretation of what I've read recently and what I've seen of him and how he carries himself. From my perspective his attitude bothers me. He IS in the media and he does have the same management team as L.J. and His recent media exposure, while not quite Lebronish, it is something close.
    He could be just stoking the fire at home to get the new owners to get moving on getting some players who he feels can win and play against anyone. This should be assumed by him and I don't think the owners need him to get the fire lit under them to do it. Naming teams he would like to play for isn't good to let out when you are playing for one already. It would be like roy saying I would like to play for the lakers, spurs, or miami, because I'm the only one on this team who is good enough (or healthy enough -Oden), (or not soft -L.A) so you better do something because if you don't I won't be happy. We in portland shouldn't like this kind of character. In Fact we don't - Rudy has been talking about rolling out for sometime and we pretty much HATE him now. Why is this? because it shows the fans you are really not there for them but for yourself and your legacy, this is why most people have a bad taste in their mouth about Lebron. He choose Himself over the greater collective - the very people making him rich and giving a damn at all. Why when Paul shows a similar characteristics do we think it is fine. This won't do for me no matter who the player is.
    I never said Paul was saying anything bad about the team or N.O. But he is in the media (much like Rudy) and he did list teams. This is saying something in our media culture. Two years ago they weren't the 8 seed, they were really good. The nba is a up and down business and losing a coach or a player can drop you down, look at Denver this year. But I think a loyal player and person STICKS around when the down times come. We can't have players demanding trades or starting fires when teams have hard times - we do today and it is sad.  it makes us fans who want players around for awhile simply start to root for laundry like Jerry seinfield said some years ago. I personlly don't want to root for a piece of cloth but a person who is loyal to the fans who have laughed and cried for their/our success.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/27/2010 2:09 PM

    My opinion of quietly asking for a trade is different I guess. To me, that is not what he did.
     I agree frog, the system should conform to Roy, I just dont see how changing pgs every season does that. 

    Once again, I'm not saying CP3 isnt a great player, I'm saying the Blazers dont need him to win a championship. He is not worth giving up Nic or LA. 
    My opinion will not change. But it is not my decision.
     I'm not thrilled by the fact that the Blazers " made his list ".  I'm not riding CP3's jock that hard. I don't think the Blazers should be desperate enough to do so either.

     

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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 07/27/2010 6:58 PM

    Like I been saying, if you have an opportunity to add a hall of fame point guard to your already good looking roster. You do it. That move puts us over the top and we'll definitely make noise in the NBA for many many years to come without question. You saddle up and ride that horse until Chris Paul himself tells you he is staying in New Orleans for good. We wont change PGs anymore if we were to add CP3. But come October it's Dre at the starting spot.
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 07/28/2010 10:01 AM

    Posted By Kim on 07/27/2010 10:39 AM
    He is acting like a spoiled child. Just like Lebron.  Nothing against his playing skill.
    But do we really want to go through this again if he isnt happy in Portland 2 years from now? 
    Food for thought.
    I'm not saying Paul isnt good, or that Dre is the best ever.

    But seriously Hawes , can we get the name and year of the last nba champion who won with a pg who was there in his first season?  And the last champion who asked their all-star to change his body/ game every off season to fit with the new pg they brought in?

    I think the answer speaks for itself.  I'm tired of Blazer nation being so all over Pauls jock the last couple of weeks. Lets see how training camp goes. Its chess not checkers. The Blazers are desperate to make a move.

    What was the Blazer records with a starting unit of Miller,Roy,Nic, LA and Camby last season?
    Richardson ended our season, and that weakness was fixed with Matthews .

    How long was Sam Cassell with the Celtics before they won? Not very long I'm pretty sure. That was after they had KG, Allen, and Pierce. All they needed was that extra piece to put them over the top. It seems to me that most of Blazer nation is not on Paul Allen's jock. Would a lot of us love to get Chris Paul so we could actually Contend for a title, yeah, we would. There also seem to be a lot of jaded people who've bought into the idea that KP is still the savior, and drink his coolaid that the team is good enough as is. The reality is, last year that actually was true. However, every contender is making moves to get better. The Lakers have signed Matt Barnes, Ratliff, and Blake. Both Barnes and Ratliff  are good defenders, and Barnes and Blake are consistent three point shooters. The Lakers are better this year than last year. Miami now has LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Mike Miller, Juwan Howard, Zydrunas Ilgauskus, and from what I've heard James Jones was either wanted to sign with them or had, I can't remember. Either way, they have consistent role players surrounding three of the top players currently in the league. Yes, if Portland wants to contend in the NEW season, moves need to be made. When the landscape changes you must adapt in order to get better and just getting healthy doesn't put Portland in that category. Yes, they still have the ability to be 2-4 in the Western Conference, but sorry I'd rather put our name in as legitimate contenders. I've been a fan for atleast 20 years now (I'm only 25), I've studied the history and I've heard the promises of a championship parade enough times (and been disappointed enough times) that if the opportunity is there to put us over the top and keep 3 of the current big 4 intact then I say you have to take it. Regular season studs don't translate into championships (see Cleveland Cavs). Show me the hardware. Forget Paul Allen, I want to win, in my OWN opinion, and my OWN drive, and I get tired of people wanting to keep  Rudy and Batum (don't get me wrong Batum is still a good player, just not enough to turn away Chris Paul) at all costs because they have a sexy foreign accent.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/28/2010 10:45 AM

    I was a Blazer fan when you were in diapers rcr. It's not Nics accent I want to keep. You are entitled to your opinion, like everyone else. Mine is that CP3 should shut his mouth,  consider himself lucky to become a Blazer if it happens, and he is not the only player in the world who would take the Blazers to a championship. 
    Blazer fans always want the big splash, and this has nothing to do with Rudy or KP. Period.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 07/28/2010 11:22 AM

    RIPCITYREVIVAL and all you who believe Paul would be awesome on our team, why do you think Paul will get us that championship? I ask because in true humility I want to hear the reason behind the faith in him. We all know he is Good but why do you see him being the piece that gets us a championship or at least  "legit contenders?'
    How would he play with Roy? I don't know how it would work, but what I do know is that it would take some time for it to be clean, smooth, and well oiled. 
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 07/28/2010 8:40 PM

    I told you this would happen,
    you guys are such haters its unbelieveable. 
    Kenny C. you obviously know nothing about CP3. And hating on LeBron because he is the best player in the NBA is way over-rated bro.
    Chris Paul is amaZing, dedicated, and so much more, example. He Played in a H.S. game while his grandfather was in the hospital(61 years old), played till the 4th, scored 61 pts and then took himself out.
    And to Kim.
    You talk about how Richardson took portland out last season, one guy, and all that.
    Well that would be exactly why those starting 5 would not work, they handed their season over to J-Rich, and
     one guy trampled over them. I garaunte you that Paul would not of let that happen, he would have taken J- Rich himself, and you want to know someone else who wouldnt of handed their season over to one person.
    The king himself, LBJ. it would of been curtains for J Rich. curtains
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 07/29/2010 1:32 AM

    Tay c lets keep the personal attacks out of it and deal with the arguments. You can't say You know cp3 because he played in a High school game and scored a lot of points while his dad was in the hospital. This was High school and money and power change people. I only know Paul from watching and reading about him probably pretty much like you. I said My opinion was an interpretation of the info that was out there. maybe I got it right maybe the interpretation was wrong but one thing I know I can form my own opinion on the info and the one story you cited doesn't change my mind on Paul.
    I wasn't hating the best player in the league because he is the best player. I don't hate anyone, I don't respect L.J. for what he put the fans through in Cleavland. That's about it. My man point in everything I have written was to simply say I think Paul isn't the answer for a championship and His actions rubbed me the wrong way. Obviously if someone rubs you the wrong way, you wouldn't want him around.  It is like Rudy rubbing me the wrong way, now I don't care for him so much. That's pretty much all I said. I venture to say that KIm is out of her twenties and I'm really far out of my twenties, so I think why we agree here about Chris Paul is because of our age. 
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/29/2010 2:44 PM

    So let me get this straight, CP3 would have been able to stop Jason Richardson if he were here last season ??OK .

    I personally think he would have had his hands full  defending Nash, just like Rex did. 
    The Blazers matched up evenly with Phoenix, everywhere but Richardson/Rudy.  If the Blazers had a defensive body on Richardson ( one big enough to not be shot over ) the series could have had a different outcome. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

    For the record, Kim has been a Blazer fan since the 70's. 

     I'm not sure about Kenny, but I am looking for a better reason CP3 should be a Blazer, other than he is amazing. No one is questioning his play here. How will he fit ? How many pgs do we have to go through ? And in 2 years, then what ? Start over if CP3 isnt happy ?

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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 07/29/2010 3:16 PM

    Here are some reasons... Because Chris Paul is the best PG in the game? Because just having him on your team makes you tough to beat? <- remember last year when we led the whole game and he made the last shot of the game off is @ss to take the lead for good? Because last year among guards in the NBA he was 1st in efficiency, 1st in AST/TO ratio, 2nd in assists, 3rd in steals, 6th in double doubles, and 13th in scoring. The dude is just an amazingly complete, unselfish, well rounded player. Batum is a GREAT defender... but so is Paul... along with EVERYTHING else. How is he a baby? I want players that are driven to win. I like our team, love Batum, but you have to break some eggs to make an omlette. I am SOOOOOOO frustrated reading posts from people that want the blazers to win - want great players here, but don't want to give up any of 'our' players to do it. Be realistic. The small town attitude here will never get it done. Thank God Paul Allen and the management don't think that way... at least I don't think they do.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 07/29/2010 4:38 PM

    Nice points Jason, but I am still SOOOOOO frustrated with the pg musical chairs that goes on every off season here.
      I am still not hearing plan b, 2 years from now when CP3  wants out if the Blazers dont make him happy, and we already traded Nic and who knows what else away ? 

    There is also a saying about putting all your eggs in one basket.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 07/29/2010 5:16 PM

    I understand. To you point Kim, the point guard situation IS frustrating. Seems like it goes back forever. We've been like this ever since Damon. Through Telfair, Jack, even Blake. The question is, have we resolved it yet? I don't think so. Beyond 2 years (Paul's contract), we really don't have another plan (unless you're ready to just give the job to Bayless and rookes that haven't played yet. Miller isn't part of the discussion any more because of his age and contract, and Bayless feels like a pretty average PG at best when he peaks. I can see him as a decent PG on an average team, or a backup on a good team. <-hopefully ours. The musical chairs at that position can't really stop happening until we can wrap up a point guard that is good enough. Extending Paul would be a coup. Then I think you could start talking dynasty, regardless of who's playing in Miami. Could we do it? Who knows. It's a risk. But it is a risk with a HUGE reward if you can pull it off.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 07/29/2010 6:50 PM

    Posted By Kim on 07/29/2010 4:38 PM
    Nice points Jason, but I am still SOOOOOO frustrated with the pg musical chairs that goes on every off season here.
      I am still not hearing plan b, 2 years from now when CP3  wants out if the Blazers dont make him happy, and we already traded Nic and who knows what else away ? 

    There is also a saying about putting all your eggs in one basket.

    To Kenny, your right i am sorry, didnt mean to attack you bro. I get a little heated when everyone is out here shooting on LeBron at almost every chance, and really no is even realizing the fact that he set an example. Sure just about every fan is upset that hes on Miami( Which i still dont understand), but if you have noticed, ever since "the decision" there have been rumors flying out about other big-time stars changing to some random team (ie:CP3 to Portland). But these NBA players are following the trend that the KING has set, they're all down for realizing that its their lives, their effort exerted towards playing, and ultimately their decision, yet everyone feels they have a right to be angry. why?

    But what i dont seem to understand is, why is CP3 not going to be happy in two years?

    What i dont seem to understand is how Kim can know this?
    and have you ever asked yourself, for the quality and type of player Paul is, and for what he could do to the roster, isnt that worth taking the risk of this magical unhappiness that is to come over him?
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 07/30/2010 1:56 PM

    Posted By Kim on 07/27/2010 10:39 AM
    He is acting like a spoiled child. Just like Lebron.  Nothing against his playing skill.
    But do we really want to go through this again if he isnt happy in Portland 2 years from now? 
    Food for thought.
    I'm not saying Paul isnt good, or that Dre is the best ever.

    But seriously Hawes , can we get the name and year of the last nba champion who won with a pg who was there in his first season?  And the last champion who asked their all-star to change his body/ game every off season to fit with the new pg they brought in?

    I think the answer speaks for itself.  I'm tired of Blazer nation being so all over Pauls jock the last couple of weeks. Lets see how training camp goes. Its chess not checkers. The Blazers are desperate to make a move.

    What was the Blazer records with a starting unit of Miller,Roy,Nic, LA and Camby last season?
    Richardson ended our season, and that weakness was fixed with Matthews .

    When's the last time a team brought in two other all stars to the same team in the same free agency, never happened before through this route so it must not be a successful way to do things. ..... arguments like this only hold water until they are tested.
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  1. jeff w
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    Posted 07/30/2010 10:54 PM

    kenny c. dont tell people what to say. kim and rcr can write what thay want. just like crim wrote about hating buck williams-he's free to. chris paul is not spoiled. he has been on a bad team, and he alone got them in the play offs that year. he is the one who would make the blazers the best team in the nba.
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 07/31/2010 2:15 PM

    Lol i said i hate buck williams? You're crazy or illiterate. I said Buck didn't have a jump shot, which is true he got his baskets around the cup.
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